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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:28 am

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piscator wrote:Not only are they rank arguments from specious authority, but Alan Greenspan and some brigade commander are not in a position to even make those arguments. (They're not even arguments as much as off-the-cuff opinions.)
The person you refer to as "some brigade commander" was in fact a four star general who in charge of the US activities in Iraq by virtue of being the commander of United States Central Command from 7 July 2003 to 16 March 2007. He had planned to retire in 2006, but at the urging of Donald Rumsfeld postponed his retirement for about a year. That indicates a few things: He was presumably competent at what he was doing. He was well connected. The people he knew trusted him. So he'd have been privy to a lot of information the movers and shakers tried to prevent from becoming public knowledge. So, yes, I'd give his opinion more credence than yours or Galaxian's.
But he invaded Iraq, which makes him a criminal in your book...High command and all...

Not that I disagree with him, but his off the cuff sentence filtered through a cub journalist looking to slant liberal is not authoritative.

Similarly, but coming from a more purely financial angle, Alan Greenspan would have been privy to inside knowledge about the motivations and actions by the powers that be by virtue of having been the Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987 to 2006 that you or I have no first hand knowledge of.
Like the general, foreign policy and strategy not his area of expertise, or what he was paid to do. Moreover, "The Fed" is not a government agency, and he would be no more privy to goings on in the Oval Office than Norman Swartzkopff.

Yes, both were men with authority, but I do not defer to their opinions because of their authority as such, but on grounds of their privileged position in regard to how much and what kind of information they had access to.
That's where you fucked up. They're not privy to foreign policy strategy, and you shouldn't make out like they are.

piscator wrote:Moreover, like you say, oil has been a valid reason to kill lots of would-be middlemen for a long time. ...
If the rest of your post is supposed to be a rebuttal of the assertion that the invasion of Iraq was about oil, please let me know how so. Personally, I would love to see the end of all feudal, theocratic and dictatorial governments, by military means if necessary, but let's not kid ourselves about why Iraq was invaded. And let's face the fact that the cure turned out to be a lot worse than the disease - which "the Coalition of the Willing" was warned about several times before entering into that particular misadventure.
But they were All ok with it...And it's only a "misadventure" from the perspective of the Short Game (and your vapid political opportunism).

My remarks were meant to point out a few things a gentleman of leisure like yourself isn't comfortable admitting. You sit over your polystyrene American laqptop and hurl "It was for oil!!", like that's supposed to be some sort of insult.
It's not. It's part of the unvarnished truth, just like the terms of the Gulf War cease fire agreement (and Korean cease fire too).

Tsk tsk at America all you want, from the high peanut gallery of political opportunism. We'll do what we perceive as our best interests, and you'll continue to reap the benefits when it comes time to ship your wool to market.
BTW, your Diggers will be right beside us the whole time. You're not all a bunch of effete parlor pinks out to impose your personal peacetime morality on the geopolitical schoolyard...

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:46 am

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My remarks were meant to point out a few things a gentleman of leisure like yourself isn't comfortable admitting. You sit over your polystyrene American laqptop and hurl "It was for oil!!", like that's supposed to be some sort of insult.
It's not. It's part of the unvarnished truth, just like the terms of the Gulf War cease fire agreement (and Korean cease fire too).
So why were you earlier claming that it wasn't? :think: :

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rEvolutionist wrote:That is, Hermits links are SPECIFICALLY referring to the 2003 invasion. That is, they are refuting your specious claim that 2003 was just a continuation of 1991.
Except that they don't.

It's true. They don't.
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:05 am

Spelling not your strong suit?

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:09 am

No. Are you going to address your contradictory stances in this thread?
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:11 am

Why? They're only contradictory in your mind.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:12 am

Because your "arguments" are random and retarded. I thought you might want to clarify.
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:13 am

You must be thinking of your spelling.

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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:16 am

Lol, so now not being content to be a clone of Seth and 42, you've devolved to being Mister Mac. I can't wait to see what purveyor of retardation you model yourself on next. :tea:
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:52 am

Wish I had the time. The girls brought a big tray of kalua pork home.
Don't feel bad, I have to put down the ukelele too.
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You must have started drinking early (like as of two weeks ago)... :coffee:
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Post by piscator » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:54 am

The dole check came in early.

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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:55 am

You and the lads going out to "beat a muzzie" later on? :razzle:
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by Hermit » Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:39 am

piscator wrote:
Hermit wrote:The person you refer to as "some brigade commander" was in fact a four star general who in charge of the US activities in Iraq by virtue of being the commander of United States Central Command from 7 July 2003 to 16 March 2007. He had planned to retire in 2006, but at the urging of Donald Rumsfeld postponed his retirement for about a year. That indicates a few things: He was presumably competent at what he was doing. He was well connected. The people he knew trusted him. So he'd have been privy to a lot of information the movers and shakers tried to prevent from becoming public knowledge. So, yes, I'd give his opinion more credence than yours or Galaxian's.
But he invaded Iraq, which makes him a criminal in your book...
You obviously have not read my book. The only time I have explicitly addressed the legal status of any war was to discount its relevance. In the same post I also obliquely referred to the legality of the 2003 invasion, but only to opine that Resolution 1441 does not provide the legal sanction for the war that others ascribe to it. Nowhere - not in this thread nor in any other - have I as much as implied that the lack of legality of a war makes a participant a criminal.
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Hermit wrote:Similarly, but coming from a more purely financial angle, Alan Greenspan would have been privy to inside knowledge about the motivations and actions by the powers that be by virtue of having been the Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987 to 2006 that you or I have no first hand knowledge of.
Like the general, foreign policy and strategy not his area of expertise, or what he was paid to do. Moreover, "The Fed" is not a government agency, and he would be no more privy to goings on in the Oval Office than Norman Swartzkopff.
The oil industry is not a government agency either. That's where the lion's share for the decision to invade Iraq is found. It was, like the many wars motivated by money. The Oval Office was brought to do its bidding. As Chairman of the Feds Greenspan was in an excellent position to observe the manoeuvrings.

FFS, just look at the "before" and "after" of it. Before the invasion the Iraqi oil industry was government owned and controlled, and just about all the fuel extracted was consumed inside that nation. After the invasion two American companies share the $150 billion drilling and exploration contracts. One of them, to nobody's surprise, is Halliburton. It gets half of those contracts. Also, the Iraqi oil industry is now controlled by Exxon, Chevron, etc, and 80% of the fuel gets exported.
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Hermit wrote:Yes, both were men with authority, but I do not defer to their opinions because of their authority as such, but on grounds of their privileged position in regard to how much and what kind of information they had access to.
That's where you fucked up. They're not privy to foreign policy strategy, and you shouldn't make out like they are.
See my comment on the Oval Office above. Foreign policy decisions are not made in a vacuum. Foreign policy decisions are made according to American interests. The American oil corporations are not the only interest to be taken into consideration, but they are big'uns.
piscator wrote:My remarks were meant to point out a few things a gentleman of leisure like yourself isn't comfortable admitting.
What am I not comfortable admitting? Out with it.
piscator wrote:You ... hurl "It was for oil!!", like that's supposed to be some sort of insult.
Insult? I don't regard it as an insult. All nations attempt to act in their respective self-interest. If I thought of that notion as insulting I may as well pooh-pooh the notion of the survival instinct among humans and animals.
piscator wrote:It's not. It's part of the unvarnished truth
I wholeheartedly agree with you there.
piscator wrote:BTW, your Diggers will be right beside us the whole time. You're not all a bunch of effete parlor pinks out to impose your personal peacetime morality on the geopolitical schoolyard...
Oh, just look at that. Another tu quoque. Will it ever end? Seems you still have not learnt that its use does nothing at all in supporting whatever it is you try to argue. Bit on the slow side, aren't you?
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by pErvinalia » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:06 am

There seems to be more logical fallacies on this forum these days than well reasoned arguments. It's a shame.
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Re: Science Undecided on Room Temperature Superconductors

Post by rainbow » Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:04 pm

Has anyone thought of gallium doping?
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