The Myth of the Moderate Muslim

[DaveDodo007]

There are 1.7 billion Muslims. If all, or even a great number of them were extremists and their supporters you'd be long dead now.

As for the lack of Muslim voices heard opposing the extremists, check this out for example:

Five things Australia's grand mufti may or may not have said about the Paris attacks

If the mainstream media report this sort of thing at all they do that in order to spin it into the opposite of what was actually said.

Didn't I provide you with a list of Muslim leaders who condemned Islamic terrorism before the Paris outrage was half a day old a few days ago, and you dismissed it as a bunch of liars?

I think it may be a good idea if you acquainted yourself with reality. That would make for a welcome change.

Fuck off you terrorist apologist. I'm a apostate and if a caliphate was in power you would be beheaded along side me. Typical lefty/liberal cowardness, you are the very definition of a 'useful idiot.' I get called a misogynist, sexist and a woman hater for exposing feminists man hate. Yet you cowardly lefty/liberals run to the defence of the most fascist of all the religions again fuck you. Jesus fucking Christ women are stoned to death for being raped, have to wear a bin bag to leave the house (with a male escort of course.) I could go on as the list of their misogyny is endless. Gays and transgenders are thrown off building or just hanged (and if they somehow didn't die rocks are thrown at their head to finish the job.) People of the book are subjected to increased taxation if they are sufficiently servile enough and everyone else is a kafir and should be killed. Though aren't you so progressive to be defending this beleaguered minority who have shown in poll after poll that they mostly support such actions. You attack milquetoast Christians with full furiosity whilst forgiving the most savage acts ever seen when it is perpetuated by the religion of peace. Fuck you lefty/liberals as you are a bunch of bed wetting poor excuses for human beings. I almost wish the muslims would take over the West as feminist, SJWs and lefty/liberals would be the first to be killed off but why should the decent people suffer because you are a bunch of spineless goons. Oh and fuck you.

[Seth]

There are 1.7 billion Muslims. If all, or even a great number of them were extremists and their supporters you'd be long dead now.

As for the lack of Muslim voices heard opposing the extremists, check this out for example:

Five things Australia's grand mufti may or may not have said about the Paris attacks

If the mainstream media report this sort of thing at all they do that in order to spin it into the opposite of what was actually said.

Didn't I provide you with a list of Muslim leaders who condemned Islamic terrorism before the Paris outrage was half a day old a few days ago, and you dismissed it as a bunch of liars?

I think it may be a good idea if you acquainted yourself with reality. That would make for a welcome change.

Fuck off you terrorist apologist. I'm a apostate and if a caliphate was in power you would be beheaded along side me. Typical lefty/liberal cowardness, you are the very definition of a 'useful idiot.' I get called a misogynist, sexist and a woman hater for exposing feminists man hate. Yet you cowardly lefty/liberals run to the defence of the most fascist of all the religions again fuck you. Jesus fucking Christ women are stoned to death for being raped, have to wear a bin bag to leave the house (with a male escort of course.) I could go on as the list of their misogyny is endless. Gays and transgenders are thrown off building or just hanged (and if they somehow didn't die rocks are thrown at their head to finish the job.) People of the book are subjected to increased taxation if they are sufficiently servile enough and everyone else is a kafir and should be killed. Though aren't you so progressive to be defending this beleaguered minority who have shown in poll after poll that they mostly support such actions. You attack milquetoast Christians with full furiosity whilst forgiving the most savage acts ever seen when it is perpetuated by the religion of peace. Fuck you lefty/liberals as you are a bunch of bed wetting poor excuses for human being. I almost wish the muslims would take over the West as feminist, SJWs and lefty/liberals would be the first to be killed off but why should the decent people suffer because you are a bunch of spineless goons. Oh and fuck you.

Before you get sent on vacation, let me just say...well said and thanks for saying it and taking the bullet.

[rainbow]

There are 1.7 billion Muslims. If all, or even a great number of them were extremists and their supporters you'd be long dead now.

As for the lack of Muslim voices heard opposing the extremists, check this out for example:

Five things Australia's grand mufti may or may not have said about the Paris attacks

If the mainstream media report this sort of thing at all they do that in order to spin it into the opposite of what was actually said.

Didn't I provide you with a list of Muslim leaders who condemned Islamic terrorism before the Paris outrage was half a day old a few days ago, and you dismissed it as a bunch of liars?

I think it may be a good idea if you acquainted yourself with reality. That would make for a welcome change.

Fuck off you terrorist apologist.

I accept that you've got issues, DaveDildo. Please keep on taking those meds.

[Hermit]

Fuck off you terrorist apologist.

Where did I apologise for terrorism? Quote the apology.

[cronus]

Fuck off you terrorist apologist.

Where did I apologise for terrorism? Quote the apology.

You didn't. There is no grey area for you to occupy - it's all gone too far for both sides of the argument. Bodies are heaping up. That's all. When the mussies nuke some Western city this will becme clearer for you....do you want me to send you food parcels in your internment camp, on the day, by the way?

[Hermit]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

[cronus]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

I'm sure there are - look at the universal pursuit of human rights across multiple Muslim nations?

[cronus]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

I'm sure there are - look at the universal pursuit of human rights across multiple Muslim nations?

[Hermit]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

I'm sure there are - look at the universal pursuit of human rights across multiple Muslim nations?

It's kind of difficult for mass movements to openly campaign for human rights in countries governed by dictatorships.

[JimC]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

I'm sure there are - look at the universal pursuit of human rights across multiple Muslim nations?

It's kind of difficult for mass movements to openly campaign for human rights in countries governed by dictatorships.

The sad thing is that there seems to be only a choice between secular, army-backed dictators or Islamist theocrats...

[cronus]

There is no grey area for you to occupy

I am not occupying a grey area. Terrorism is not moderate in any way, shape or form, but that is not the topic of this thread. The issue that's meant to be discussed is whether there are moderate Muslims.

I'm sure there are - look at the universal pursuit of human rights across multiple Muslim nations?

It's kind of difficult for mass movements to openly campaign for human rights in countries governed by dictatorships.

The sad thing is that there seems to be only a choice between secular, army-backed dictators or Islamist theocrats...

I believe democracy and a Western lifestyle can be bombed into place. It requires timing. It requires determination. Only a all out war on Islam will work. Like Nazism it must be confronted as a full on fight or the job won't complete.

[Hermit]

The sad thing is that there seems to be only a choice between secular, army-backed dictators or Islamist theocrats...

Sad indeed. The past few decades, starting with the fall of the Shah of Iran, have amply demonstrated that army-backed dictators are by far the lesser of the two evils.

[cronus]

The sad thing is that there seems to be only a choice between secular, army-backed dictators or Islamist theocrats...

Sad indeed. The past few decades, starting with the fall of the Shah of Iran, have amply demonstrated that army-backed dictators are by far the lesser of the two evils.

No imagination to posit a people free from religious dogma and the gun. Even with the examples of fast change in Japan and Germany after WW2...a small eye betrays a small mind.

[Hermit]

No imagination to posit a people free from religious dogma and the gun. Even with the examples of fast change in Japan and Germany after WW2...a small eye betrays a small mind.

I was talking about the years reaching back to the fall of the Shah's regime. Both Germany and Japan were already industrialised nations under their respective dictatorships, which made both rather more amenable to becoming capitalist democracies. That is not the case with the Muslim nations in the Middle East, Asia Minor and Africa. There the societies are still handicapped by tribal relationships, largely peasant populations, rural modes of subsistence and massive illiteracy, none of which conditions are particularly favourable to such development. Be it as it may, what does any of this have to do with the question about whether "the moderate Muslim" is a myth? Wasn't that the topic you addressed in your opening post and its title?

[cronus]

You changed the subject first. Anyway most Muslims are not moderate and not extreme. Their religion is presented in a extreme manner by manipulative agents. Easy to do given its hate filled content. They are mostly illiterate like you say and simply repeat the vocalisations of their elders. This is both good and bad. After the wars of conquest by the world powers the middle east can be modernised rapidly...like Japan was. Unfortunately the bad news is it will take full on confrontation of both arms of Islam at the same time to guarantee total defeat...with some risk of losing, albeit less than imagined.