Islamic State is the lefts new Palestine?

[cronus]

ISIS clowns are misunderstood oppressed victims. If folks would stop oppressing them they'd straighten out.

[mistermack]

ISIS clowns are misunderstood oppressed victims. If folks would stop oppressing them they'd straighten out.

Some might be.
There are an awful lot of victims of western policy, floating around in the middle east.
The people killed in France are a tiny number, compared to the people killed in Palestine, or Iraq, or Lebanon or Syria etc.
That means that there are an awful lot of people with a legitimate reason to hate the west.
If I was an Iraqi who had lost people dear to me, in actions by western coalitions, then I'd be out for revenge. And I wouldn't much care who I took it out on.

[cronus]

ISIS clowns are misunderstood oppressed victims. If folks would stop oppressing them they'd straighten out.

Some might be.
There are an awful lot of victims of western policy, floating around in the middle east.
The people killed in France are a tiny number, compared to the people killed in Palestine, or Iraq, or Lebanon or Syria etc.
That means that there are an awful lot of people with a legitimate reason to hate the west.
If I was an Iraqi who had lost people dear to me, in actions by western coalitions, then I'd be out for revenge. And I wouldn't much care who I took it out on.

More Muslims die at the hands of other Muslims...see your point though. Although the demographic, mostly young males at a age to prove something, is probably a hidden contributor. Ten years from now it'll be China disintegrating, cos of the demographic. I'm sure that is a fundamental driver for unrest, and the stories of oppression help but don't drive the winds of change/revolution/fuckwittery.

[Rum]

I blame Bush.

[Svartalf]

Sure, he mishandled it all, but Reagan is the true responsible

[laklak]

I blame Urban II.

[Rum]

Sure, he mishandled it all, but Reagan is the true responsible

If we play that game I blame the Ottoman Empire. But you have a point.

[Svartalf]

Sure, he mishandled it all, but Reagan is the true responsible

If we play that game I blame the Ottoman Empire. But you have a point.

I'm not sure how reponsible the Ottomans were, I'd lay it more at the colonial powers' door... but yes, I was staying within my lifetime

[JimC]

I blame Bush.

Bit harsh on poor Kate, I would have thought...

[laklak]

Kate makes them feel all funny, like when you climb the rope in gym class.

[Svartalf]

I blame Bush.

Bit harsh on poor Kate, I would have thought...

Since she hasn't slept with me, she fully deserves the blame

[Seth]

ISIS clowns are misunderstood oppressed victims. If folks would stop oppressing them they'd straighten out.

Some might be.
There are an awful lot of victims of western policy, floating around in the middle east.
The people killed in France are a tiny number, compared to the people killed in Palestine, or Iraq, or Lebanon or Syria etc.
That means that there are an awful lot of people with a legitimate reason to hate the west.
If I was an Iraqi who had lost people dear to me, in actions by western coalitions, then I'd be out for revenge. And I wouldn't much care who I took it out on.

And who killed most of those people in the Middle East, pray tell? Never mind, I'll tell you: Other Muslim Middle-Easterners. Can you say "Sunni" and "Shiite"?

You know all those hundreds of thousands of innocent victims laid at the feet of the US in the Iraq wars? The US didn't kill them, other Arabs killed them.

Those idiot fuckers have been killing each other over which of Mohammad's descendants is the "authorized" descendant of the Prophet since Mohammad died. I just wish they were better at it and would concentrate on killing each other so we wouldn't have to do it.

[Seth]

I blame Bush.

Which is just meaningless idiocy because Muslims have been killing other Muslims wholesale since 622. And they don't give a fuck if it's a non-combatant man, woman or child. If they are a Sunni, then the Shiites kill them. If they are a Shiite, then the Sunnis kill them.

Our mistake was not letting them continue to kill each other off. The real reason we shouldn't have gone into Iraq the first or second time, or EVER gone into Afghanistan, is because we shouldn't have given a flying fuck about anyone over there and should have let them go on killing and enslaving each other just as they've been doing for 1400 years.

Hell, we never should have supported the Muhadjeen against the Soviets, we should have let the Soviets get stuck to that tar-baby instead of arming anybody. But who knew at the time what duplicitous cocksuckers Muslims were and that they would turn on civilization. Better the Soviets had been allowed to tyrannize and kill them as best they could. The more Sarin deployed by Muslims against Muslims the better. Fewer Muslims to lie and dissemble and attack others that way.

Fuck 'em all.

[Jason]

I suspect they are referring to the actions of US intelligence services in the 1980s to reintroduce the concept of holy way into the 'modern' Islamic tradition in an effort to thwart the Soviet intentions in Afghanistan at the time. It's not conspiracy-level bullshit, it's very well documented and commented on in politico-scholar library.

[Seth]

I suspect they are referring to the actions of US intelligence services in the 1980s to reintroduce the concept of holy way into the 'modern' Islamic tradition in an effort to thwart the Soviet intentions in Afghanistan at the time. It's not conspiracy-level bullshit, it's very well documented and commented on in politico-scholar library.

Sounds like conspiracy theory garbage to me. The Mujahadeen didn't need any religious motivation, all they needed was arms, ammunition and communications equipment, which we gave them. They brought all the religious motivation with them because their religion is a warlike and violent religion whose fundamental principles and beliefs call for killing those who disagree with them...and it always has, since 622 when that cocksucking kiddie-fiddling asswipe Mohammad thought the whole thing up. Just ask anyone who has tried to colonize or occupy Afghanistan since then.