Questions for a priest.

[jamest]

OK. Perhaps one of you needs to update Wikipedia, in that case.

On 12 August 1887, Schrödinger was born in Vienna, Austria, to Rudolf Schrödinger (cerecloth producer, botanist) and Georgine Emilia Brenda (daughter of Alexander Bauer, Professor of Chemistry, Technische Hochschule Vienna). He was their only child.

That is only true in this reality...

Fuck off, jamest and bring Seth back from wherever you've put him!

Sorry, we had a problem with Seth. He had to go where my toothbrush went.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

If you want, I'll pretend to be the priest.

I bet you say that to all the 9 year olds!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

OK. Perhaps one of you needs to update Wikipedia, in that case.

On 12 August 1887, Schrödinger was born in Vienna, Austria, to Rudolf Schrödinger (cerecloth producer, botanist) and Georgine Emilia Brenda (daughter of Alexander Bauer, Professor of Chemistry, Technische Hochschule Vienna). He was their only child.

That is only true in this reality...

Fuck off, jamest and bring Seth back from wherever you've put him!

Sorry, we had a problem with Seth. He had to go where my toothbrush went.

Oh dear. He's really in the shit this time then!

[jamest]

If you want, I'll pretend to be the priest.

I bet you say that to all the 9 year olds!

No, they prefer to hear that I have sweets in the glove compartment.

[JimC]

If you want, I'll pretend to be the priest.

Kinky!

[Seth]

OK. Perhaps one of you needs to update Wikipedia, in that case.

On 12 August 1887, Schrödinger was born in Vienna, Austria, to Rudolf Schrödinger (cerecloth producer, botanist) and Georgine Emilia Brenda (daughter of Alexander Bauer, Professor of Chemistry, Technische Hochschule Vienna). He was their only child.

That is only true in this reality...

Fuck off, jamest and bring Seth back from wherever you've put him!

Sorry, we had a problem with Seth. He had to go where my toothbrush went.

I'm back, and I found your toothbrush, but something else has been using it, I'm not sure you want it back in its present condition.

[WhostolemyID]

I'd ask:

"How do you plead?"

[Sælir]

Ok, your long winded answers are sometimes too much, people

Anyway... we would have free will but since God knows everything he already knows what we will choose, right? It is not his decision but he knows the answer.

I talk to priests all the time and have asked them all kinds of questions.
Most of the time the answers are not satisfying to me but... meh!

The bishop of Iceland drove me downtown the other day (we were at the same birthday party) where I was absolutely bollocksed and tried to say pussy and dick as many times as possible (but only where it fit the conversation). I was stopped by a friend of mine after the bishop (female) said: "And still there is only one word for a penis" and I was about to list as many words as possible for it

[laklak]

"Do you have anything to say before I pass sentence?"

[JimC]

"Do you have anything to say before I pass sentence?"

The ex-principal (a Salesian priest) of the catholic school I teach at has just been jailed for sex offences against boys in the 80's...

[Seth]

"Do you have anything to say before I pass sentence?"

The ex-principal (a Salesian priest) of the catholic school I teach at has just been jailed for sex offences against boys in the 80's...

And I'm SO SURE he got a fair trial...30 years after the fact...with zero forensic evidence and a profit motive on the part of the alleged victims.

There's a reason statutes of limitation are a good idea. If you can't bring a criminal complaint in a reasonable period of time so as to afford the accused a fair trial then you should just suck it up and get over it.

[JimC]

There was corroborating evidence, and multiple victims. They, as children, told others, but were disbelieved, and the church of that time covered up, shifted priests around, and did all they could to avoid justice.

Justice still prevailed in the long run...

[Seth]

There was corroborating evidence, and multiple victims. They, as children, told others, but were disbelieved, and the church of that time covered up, shifted priests around, and did all they could to avoid justice.

Justice still prevailed in the long run...

What sort of corroborating evidence, pray tell? Thirty year-old semen stains in 30 year-old kiddie underwear kept secreted away in a dresser drawer? Ever hear of the McMartin pre-school scandal?

Ever read "The Crucible?"

Justice is very, very rarely done 30 years after the fact, and it's never done after delay without adequate forensic evidence collected at the time of the alleged crime that is properly handled and managed in the interim. Somebody's say-so 30 years later is simply not credible enough to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Period.

And then there's the profit motive involved of now-adults looking for a fortune-cookie payday from the Catholic church in a civil suit by winning a criminal conviction.

Which is not to say that kiddie-fiddling priests (the very, very small number of them that actually do exist out of the 400,000 non-abusing ones) didn't do a lot of harm and don't deserve to be punished for their crimes. It's just that human society is simply incapable of rendering justice after such a long time. One might therefore have to consider leaving it up to the deity used to facilitate those crimes to do the punishing, because mankind simply cannot justly do so at this great remove.

[JimC]

Fuck off, Seth. He was as guilty as sin. Stop defending pedophiles, or someone might start to wonder why...

[Seth]

Fuck off, Seth. He was as guilty as sin. Stop defending pedophiles, or someone might start to wonder why...

Wonder all you like. I defend justice, and justice cannot be dispensed 30 years after the fact without a shred of forensic evidence. Now, if he admitted his guilt, that's another thing entirely, presuming that it was not a coerced confession, which also happens with alarming frequency all over the planet.

I'm not defending pedophiles, I'm defending the rule of law and the right to a fair trial for everyone, including you. How would you feel if someone claimed you molested them as a child 30 years ago and you had no way to prove you didn't do it and the jury sided with the accuser because, well, we all know that children never, ever lie about anything at all and are always perfectly truthful in all things.

Bad things happen to people, including children, but that doesn't mean justice can be provided to every person who has ever been wronged, particularly when they sit on their injury for three decades before deciding to do something about it.

Get a clue.