Black boxes. Another failure.

[cronus]

A pure bred psychotic? Are they breeding them nowadays? Are you their dad?

They make more of them in America where gun-laws allow folks to defends their opinions, no matter how irrational, to the death.

[Seth]

A pure bred psychotic? Are they breeding them nowadays? Are you their dad?

They make more of them in America where gun-laws allow folks to defends their opinions, no matter how irrational, to the death.

What a ridiculously ignorant strawman statement. Gun laws in America allow nothing of the kind, and you know it.

[Seth]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

[cronus]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

Exactly my point. Unless you've intimate knowledge of someone and their psychology you don't know whether they are likely to go on a killing spree or not. Most likely nine in ten depressives are self-harming varieties, unless you know them well you won't tell the one in ten from the rest until they shoot you in the guts. Your roll of the dice. Design the tick-box in your favor yourself, or suffer the consequences of relying on lesser souls to pass that book your way.

[Seth]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

Exactly my point. Unless you've intimate knowledge of someone and their psychology you don't know whether they are likely to go on a killing spree or not. Most likely nine in ten depressives are self-harming varieties, unless you know them well you won't tell the one in ten from the rest until they shoot you in the guts. Your roll of the dice. Design the tick-box in your favor yourself, or suffer the consequences of relying on lesser souls to pass that book your way.

I'd say that 99 out of 100 depressives aren't even suicidally self-harming. Most depressives are just depressed, and the vast majority of them are situationally depressed for a relatively short term and respond well to medication and therapy and never, or infrequently have depressive episodes after that.

Because depression is a chemical imbalance it can be treated very effectively with drugs in almost all cases, presuming that the person seeks help.

Manic/depression is another beast entirely, as are psychosis and psychopathy.

There are tens of thousands of pilots, firefighters, police officers, soldiers, doctors, nurses, cabbies, bus drivers, train engineers, etc. who take medications for depression without incident and without risk to the public. In fact, they are actually much less of a risk than the untreated depressed person merely because they recognized the illness and sought help.

There is no reason to fear people who are taking medication for depression. That being said, sometimes you die, and sometimes someone goes completely off his nut. We do the best we can to prevent that, but it's bound to happen. I blame Lufthansa for not having the "two persons in the cockpit at all times" rule that the US mandates.

[pErvinalia]

It only takes one case to produce a general rule when the case produces mass casualties. All you bleeding-heart liberals who believe the depressive stood next you is safely thinking merely self-harming thoughts are mistaken.

You're either a troll or stupid. I'm going with troll. Which is fine. It's better than being stupid.

[pErvinalia]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

Exactly my point. Unless you've intimate knowledge of someone and their psychology you don't know whether they are likely to go on a killing spree or not. Most likely nine in ten depressives are self-harming varieties, unless you know them well you won't tell the one in ten from the rest until they shoot you in the guts. Your roll of the dice. Design the tick-box in your favor yourself, or suffer the consequences of relying on lesser souls to pass that book your way.

The problem is, you are just pulling this stat from your arse. Maybe you are stupid as opposed to simply trolling.

Regarding what Seth said, I don't see how it's "pretty obviously the case in this situation" that depression may add to the self-rationalisation for mass murder. There was no suicide note. And once again, the experts in this area directly refute this idea. We simply don't know enough about what this guy suffered from in totality to make these sorts of claims.

[pErvinalia]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

Exactly my point. Unless you've intimate knowledge of someone and their psychology you don't know whether they are likely to go on a killing spree or not. Most likely nine in ten depressives are self-harming varieties, unless you know them well you won't tell the one in ten from the rest until they shoot you in the guts. Your roll of the dice. Design the tick-box in your favor yourself, or suffer the consequences of relying on lesser souls to pass that book your way.

I'd say that 99 out of 100 depressives aren't even suicidally self-harming. Most depressives are just depressed, and the vast majority of them are situationally depressed for a relatively short term and respond well to medication and therapy and never, or infrequently have depressive episodes after that.

Because depression is a chemical imbalance it can be treated very effectively with drugs in almost all cases, presuming that the person seeks help.

Manic/depression is another beast entirely, as are psychosis and psychopathy.

There are tens of thousands of pilots, firefighters, police officers, soldiers, doctors, nurses, cabbies, bus drivers, train engineers, etc. who take medications for depression without incident and without risk to the public. In fact, they are actually much less of a risk than the untreated depressed person merely because they recognized the illness and sought help.

There is no reason to fear people who are taking medication for depression. That being said, sometimes you die, and sometimes someone goes completely off his nut. We do the best we can to prevent that, but it's bound to happen. I blame Lufthansa for not having the "two persons in the cockpit at all times" rule that the US mandates.

[Seth]

Well the head of the psychiatric association in the UK was pretty clear on this.

A lot of people have depression, so it's not surprising that some murderers would have depression as well. That doesn't mean they murdered people because they had depression. They probably either have further psychosis problems, or they are just evil cunts.

This is true. Depressives are not axiomatically murderous. However, psychotics and psychopaths with an inclination to harm others may also be depressed, which may add to the self-rationalization for mass murder, as is pretty obviously the case in this situation.

Exactly my point. Unless you've intimate knowledge of someone and their psychology you don't know whether they are likely to go on a killing spree or not. Most likely nine in ten depressives are self-harming varieties, unless you know them well you won't tell the one in ten from the rest until they shoot you in the guts. Your roll of the dice. Design the tick-box in your favor yourself, or suffer the consequences of relying on lesser souls to pass that book your way.

I'd say that 99 out of 100 depressives aren't even suicidally self-harming. Most depressives are just depressed, and the vast majority of them are situationally depressed for a relatively short term and respond well to medication and therapy and never, or infrequently have depressive episodes after that.

Because depression is a chemical imbalance it can be treated very effectively with drugs in almost all cases, presuming that the person seeks help.

Manic/depression is another beast entirely, as are psychosis and psychopathy.

There are tens of thousands of pilots, firefighters, police officers, soldiers, doctors, nurses, cabbies, bus drivers, train engineers, etc. who take medications for depression without incident and without risk to the public. In fact, they are actually much less of a risk than the untreated depressed person merely because they recognized the illness and sought help.

There is no reason to fear people who are taking medication for depression. That being said, sometimes you die, and sometimes someone goes completely off his nut. We do the best we can to prevent that, but it's bound to happen. I blame Lufthansa for not having the "two persons in the cockpit at all times" rule that the US mandates.

[pErvinalia]

[Rum]

[pErvinalia]

[mistermack]

Because depression is a chemical imbalance it can be treated very effectively with drugs in almost all cases, presuming that the person seeks help.

Manic/depression is another beast entirely, as are psychosis and psychopathy.

That's not true. If depression was just a chemical imbalance it WOULD be practical to just re-balance the chemical mix. And there would be no chance whatsoever of any side-effects.

But that's not what anti-depressants do. That's why there are often serious side-effects.

[cronus]

The accuracy of my stats are mute besides the accuracy of my logic. Even if it was only one in a hundred who could become violent at the controls of dangerous machinery it would still be a pointless risk when so many un-depressed folks could be a bus driver or pilot or hairdresser. Because the meds and the history and the cultural background are so variable in their interplay it would be impossible to check whether the next depressive is the one with transference issues or not. It is not stigma when the effect of treating every equally is innocent people dying. Sometimes people are not equal. And sometimes life is unfair for a reason. Staying alive is the biggest reason of all.

[pErvinalia]

1 in 4 people are depressed (or thereabouts). That's going to be a lot of people who can't serve in Scumple's military, police, security, transport, and health services. That's if he isn't totally wrong, that is..