Strawman arguments?

[Seth]

Cheers Seth, that's very helpful.

You're welcome. Just don't quote me over there, they'll ban you for sure. Paraphrase...

[surreptitious57]

Dave : you know very well why no one is seriously considering anything that you post over there. You deliberately choose the worst case scenario and then present it as if was the norm. You do this in every thread on feminism and when it is pointed out to you you claim ignorance. And as I have already said you are as inflexible on the subject as it is possible to be. As in your mind it has not done one jot of good. Your ideological aversion to it is known by everyone who has posted in response to your nonsense. You listen to no one unless they happen to agree with you and then have the nerve to complain about being strawmanned. So you cannot seriously be unaware of this any more. You even had the cheek to suggest I get a blog since I was not debating you properly. You seem to be under the misapprehension that that involves agreeing with everything you say. I shall start agreeing with you when you post things of substance but have yet to see evidence of this. What is the point of having a debate with you when you absolutely refuse to listen to anything that anyone is saying ? And far from me getting a blog it should be you now since I actually have zero problem in considering either alternative views or of being wrong. So now have you started posting here as no one will listen to you over there a part from Jerome ? He is almost as bad with the nonsense he posts as well. Neither of you is remotely interested in discussing feminism with an open mind. Yet in spite of that some including myself have tried to engage you and patiently pointed out many times why you are actually wrong. Unfortunately it goes in one ear and out the other

[DaveDodo007]

Dave : you know very well why no one is seriously considering anything that you post over there. You deliberately choose the worst case scenario and then present it as if was the norm. You do this in every thread on feminism and when it is pointed out to you you claim ignorance. And as I have already said you are as inflexible on the subject as it is possible to be. As in your mind it has not done one jot of good. Your ideological aversion to it is known by everyone who has posted in response to your nonsense. You listen to no one unless they happen to agree with you and then have the nerve to complain about being strawmanned. So you cannot seriously be unaware of this any more. You even had the cheek to suggest I get a blog since I was not debating you properly. You seem to be under the misapprehension that that involves agreeing with everything you say. I shall start agreeing with you when you post things of substance but have yet to see evidence of this. What is the point of having a debate with you when you absolutely refuse to listen to anything that anyone is saying ? And far from me getting a blog it should be you now since I actually have zero problem in considering either alternative views or of being wrong. So now have you started posting here as no one will listen to you over there a part from Jerome ? He is almost as bad with the nonsense he posts as well. Neither of you is remotely interested in discussing feminism with an open mind. Yet in spite of that some including myself have tried to engage you and patiently pointed out many times why you are actually wrong. Unfortunately it goes in one ear and out the other

[Seth]

Dave : you know very well why no one is seriously considering anything that you post over there.

I do. They are fuckwitted, narrow-minded, intolerant assholes who can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to aerate their brains enough to formulate a rational thought, much less a rational argument. Every time I think of the idiots over there I think of this:

You deliberately choose the worst case scenario and then present it as if was the norm.

It's called "making a point by hyperbole."

You do this in every thread on feminism and when it is pointed out to you you claim ignorance.

Then illuminate him.

And as I have already said you are as inflexible on the subject as it is possible to be.

Ah, I see, the rule is that he must capitulate to your superior reasoning, even when it's not.

As in your mind it has not done one jot of good.

Perhaps he disagrees with you and thinks what you're insisting is not "good."

Your ideological aversion to it is known by everyone who has posted in response to your nonsense.

And he's not entitled to his ideological opinions why, exactly? And you are entitled to your ideological opinion why, exactly?

You listen to no one unless they happen to agree with you and then have the nerve to complain about being strawmanned.

It's hardly his fault if you are are simply wrong all the time.

So you cannot seriously be unaware of this any more.

I have a new word for you to learn: "sarcasm"

You even had the cheek to suggest I get a blog since I was not debating you properly.

And that's a bad suggestion why, exactly?

You seem to be under the misapprehension that that involves agreeing with everything you say.

If Dave's anything like me, he doesn't give a flying fuck whether you or anyone else agrees with him, an opinion he's fully entitled to.

I shall start agreeing with you when you post things of substance but have yet to see evidence of this.

Just because you don't "see" it doesn't mean it's not there. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and radical feminists have got to be one of the most obstinately blind segments of human society there is, second only to pro-abortionists and black radicals.

What is the point of having a debate with you when you absolutely refuse to listen to anything that anyone is saying ?

Perhaps the problem is not what he's hearing, but what you're hearing, and what you're saying.

And far from me getting a blog it should be you now since I actually have zero problem in considering either alternative views or of being wrong.

Doesn't sound that way to me. It sounds like you're buying into the infallibility of the religion of Feminism and it's dogma.

So now have you started posting here as no one will listen to you over there a part from Jerome ?

And he's welcome here, and will be given the amount of attention he deserves, based on his arguments, by people who aren't narrow-minded cunts and pricks...well, mostly.

He is almost as bad with the nonsense he posts as well.

You say it's "nonsense," but I strongly suspect you are merely evading the debate because it's anything BUT nonsense and you know you can't refute it without looking stupid.

Neither of you is remotely interested in discussing feminism with an open mind.

Since when is an "open mind" a requirement to debate a subject? He has his opinion, you have yours. Have at it, and may the best human being win.

Yet in spite of that some including myself have tried to engage you and patiently pointed out many times why you are actually wrong.

Or have you pointed out why you THINK he's wrong while insisting that it's an invulnerable truth, as I suspect.

Unfortunately it goes in one ear and out the other

As, I suspect, does anything outside your feminist orthodoxy.

[Brian Peacock]

Feel the love.

[JimC]

Feel the love.

Say that to the wrong girl and you can get your face slapped!

[Seth]

Feel the love.

Say that to the wrong girl and you can get your face slapped!

These day? Face slapped my ass, it'll get you slapped in the hoosegow for "sexual harassment" after the face full of OC spray from the girl.

My dad had a friend in college whom he told me used to walk up to every pretty co-ed he saw and bluntly ask, "Hey, want to fuck?"

Dad said he got slapped a lot, but he also got fucked a lot.

Ah, how times change.

[piscator]

What did your mom tell you about that guy?

[Seth]

What did your mom tell you about that guy?

I don't believe they ever met. My parents met in New York after dad's college days were over.

[DaveDodo007]

Cheers Seth, that's very helpful.

You're welcome. Just don't quote me over there, they'll ban you for sure. Paraphrase...

Thanks but I have had it with ratskep, now that Fallable has mentioned me and the word trolling in the same sentence my days of posting there are over. I would rather just leave than let them claim I was banned for being a troll. SD is right, there is nothing wrong with having a moderation admin policy if it is applied fairly across the board but as anyone who is honest knows that is not the case at ratskep. Just look at how they treated Mick, a Christian who believed in Christain theology is a troll, FFS. What next ban all Christians or other religions just because they have a different view point than you. Ho but they have Jurome or what ever his name is, as long as he is subserient and a dhimmi he is welcomed in the atheist/secular community, they are not even hiding that they are (potential) totalitarian scum anymore. All that was needed was Hackenslash to be a big crybaby and stamp his little booties on the floor to get Mick banned, as a troll no less. Well done Hack, your support of free speech is noted.

Here is how a debate goes on at ratskep:

You make a point.

They make a counter point whilst claiming they mullered, trashed your claims also while adding that your point was, moronic, idiotic while ading snark to their counter point like genius. At no point at all realizing that they are indulging in 'motivated thinking.' Or bias.

Some insipid posters join in and claim you are butthurt and add other shaming tactics, insults and their must be something wrong with you to challenge the current orthodoxy.

Post counter point to their counter point without such grandiose claims.

They make a counter point to your other counter point and again claiming they mullered, trashed your claims also while adding that your point was, moronic, idiotic while ading snark to their counter point like genius. At no point at all realizing that they are indulging in 'motivated thinking.' Or bias.

and so on.

In later posts they claim you where trashed, mullered etc in your previous debates, It must be wonderful to be a arbiter to a debate to which you where taking part, how could you ever lose? Though you already know this Seth. I used to considered myself of the left and in many ways I still do. After all I never asked most of the left to dress in clown gear and jump into a clown car, then drive off a clift named neoliberalism with a heavy dose of identical politics. Where free speech and free expression along with freedom of conscience can be curtialed. I used to argue that atheism is just a philosophical position on the existence of god or gods. Though apparently I must be a communist/socialist, the very ideologies I was was also arguing against in the first place. 'Ye shall know them by their fruits' come to mind.

As for surreptitious57, the best thing I can say about him is that he argues in good faith which is a rare commodity amongst ratskeppers. He still quotes the patriarchy which is so far an unevidenced social consturct as if it where fact. He also thinks feminism is a valid ideology. though I was talking to my brother about this and he said that feminism is so toxic so let them continue. This brings to mind the Napoleon quote "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." So if I'm wrong feminism will advance and if I'm right then it will continue to alienate potential allies, so it is all good in the end.

[Scott1328]

i think you way overestimate Fallible's sway over the mod team. I am pretty sure they could figure it out without having Falliible point it out to them. But in any case, Jerome Gnome is much better at trolling than you.

[DaveDodo007]

i think you way overestimate Fallible's sway over the mod team. I am pretty sure they could figure it out without having Falliible point it out to them. But in any case, Jerome Gnome is much better at trolling than you.

Jerome is a Christian whom believes in Christianity, he could have been indoctrinated at birth then throughout his life, why should the atheist 'community' consider that he is trolling. Though it just goes to show how intolerant the atheist community is to different views than its own. Sort of like a mirror image of any religious 'community' well whoopie the enlightenment.

[Seth]

i think you way overestimate Fallible's sway over the mod team. I am pretty sure they could figure it out without having Falliible point it out to them. But in any case, Jerome Gnome is much better at trolling than you.

Jerome is a Christian whom believes in Christianity, he could have been indoctrinated at birth then throughout his life, why should the atheist 'community' consider that he is trolling. Though it just goes to show how intolerant the atheist community is to different views than its own. Sort of like a mirror image of any religious 'community' well whoopie the enlightenment.

Could not agree more. If Atheists (and I identify them with a capital "A" because Atheism is a religion, just like Islam or Catholicism, ran the world, there would definitely be the Second Inquisition...as if there already isn't. Dare to even argue theology and you're branded and pilloried, much less actually be a believer. Take the whole gay cake thing for example. If a cake artist doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding, it's a criminal offense, but if a lesbian cake maker refuses to make a bible-shaped cake with anti-gay bible references on it, it's "refusing to participate in hate speech" not blatant discrimination based on religion and/or creed.

RatSkep is a giant circle-jerk of the most absolutely intolerant, bigoted and mindless fuckwits I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, and I include the KKK and Aryan Nations, along with the New Black Panthers and Islamic radicals in that. At least the other bigots in the club admit they are bigots. Atheists deny they are intolerant bigots to the grave.

[Scott1328]

i think you way overestimate Fallible's sway over the mod team. I am pretty sure they could figure it out without having Falliible point it out to them. But in any case, Jerome Gnome is much better at trolling than you.

Jerome is a Christian whom believes in Christianity, he could have been indoctrinated at birth then throughout his life, why should the atheist 'community' consider that he is trolling. Though it just goes to show how intolerant the atheist community is to different views than its own. Sort of like a mirror image of any religious 'community' well whoopie the enlightenment.

Bullshit. He is a troll because he behaves like a troll. His religion has fuck all to do with it. I had no idea he was a theist until you mentioned it, and frankly, I don't take your word for it. He is an idiot climate change denier,,birther libertarian who jizzes in his pants whenever he reads Ayn Rand.

[Seth]

i think you way overestimate Fallible's sway over the mod team. I am pretty sure they could figure it out without having Falliible point it out to them. But in any case, Jerome Gnome is much better at trolling than you.

Jerome is a Christian whom believes in Christianity, he could have been indoctrinated at birth then throughout his life, why should the atheist 'community' consider that he is trolling. Though it just goes to show how intolerant the atheist community is to different views than its own. Sort of like a mirror image of any religious 'community' well whoopie the enlightenment.

Bullshit. He is a troll because he behaves like a troll. His religion has fuck all to do with it. I had no idea he was a theist until you mentioned it, and frankly, I don't take your word for it. He is an idiot climate change denier,,birther libertarian who jizzes in his pants whenever he reads Ayn Rand.

So what, you're a an idiot Warmist stooge, religion-bashing Marxist useful idiot who jizzes his pants whenever somebody mentions collectivism.

He's entitled to his opinions just as much as you are entitled to yours. He's even entitled to make philosophical arguments that may not actually reflect his own personal values or ideas.

So fuck off you intolerant asshole.