What did this girl have that she needed?

[Collector1337]

I never equated psychosis with paranoia in any way shape or form.

If you say so.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly "psychosis" is,

Clearly. If you'd like to know, I'm sure you can ask google and not worry about the nuance of the symptom.

but I have some mental health issues, so I expect they are covered by that.

Care to enlighten me as to your diagnoses?

I was agreeing with Seth about my probably psychosis, but making the point that I was talking about "paranoia", and that's something I definitely don't have. You interpreting what was said by both of us in that exchange as equating psychosis with paranoia, was simply bad reading comprehension.

"bad reading comprehension" LOL... if you say so.

How is it apparently "hard for [me] to believe"??

That I'm a therapist, but still hold my apparently "paranoid" views and am an avid shooter.

I enjoy shooting too. I enjoy pretty much anything that tests my ability in any activity.

Good.

Put yourself on your couch and investigate why it is you have such weird expectations.

What weird expectations are those?

(do you want my biography? It's going to be a much crazier read than yours...)
ETA: I'm not actually going to give you my biography. Seth already knows too much about me.

I'd hardly call a couple short paragraphs a biography, but I'd still be interested in what your diagnoses are. I promise I won't tell. That would go against my code of ethics.

[Collector1337]

A bit of trivia... I've just started seeing a psychologist for the first time in years. Got into her office and she literally has big comfy couches there. My previous psychs just had normal chairs. I thought it was only a Hollywood thing that they had couches. At least she doesn't make me lie down on it...

Therapists put whatever kind of furniture they feel like in their office.

Depending on how much room they have and how much money they want to spend on furniture, there may be more than one place to sit.

If that is the case, we will pay attention to where you sit and how you sit there... but you didn't hear that from me. We always pay attention to your body language. It's part of the job.

I have a couch, but it's not for you to lie down on, it's for me to take naps.

The reason you see people lying down and facing away from the therapist in the movies is because it's a Freudian thing.

[pErvinalia]

I never equated psychosis with paranoia in any way shape or form.

If you say so.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly "psychosis" is,

Clearly. If you'd like to know, I'm sure you can ask google and not worry about the nuance of the symptom.

but I have some mental health issues, so I expect they are covered by that.

Care to enlighten me as to your diagnoses?

Um, no.

What's the formal diagnoses for being an anal twat? You should get yourself checked out for that.

I was agreeing with Seth about my probably psychosis, but making the point that I was talking about "paranoia", and that's something I definitely don't have. You interpreting what was said by both of us in that exchange as equating psychosis with paranoia, was simply bad reading comprehension.

"bad reading comprehension" LOL... if you say so.

I don't have to say so. It's clearly written there for all to see. You fucked up.

How is it apparently "hard for [me] to believe"??

That I'm a therapist, but still hold my apparently "paranoid" views and am an avid shooter.

Why couldn't you be an avid shooter?? And I never said you were clinically paranoid. You're just standard Merkan conservative paranoid...

I enjoy shooting too. I enjoy pretty much anything that tests my ability in any activity.

Good.

Thanks for that useless post choppage.

Put yourself on your couch and investigate why it is you have such weird expectations.

What weird expectations are those?

You really can't read, can you?! The fucking expectation that I was replying to. If you could quote properly I would point it out for you.

[pErvinalia]

A bit of trivia... I've just started seeing a psychologist for the first time in years. Got into her office and she literally has big comfy couches there. My previous psychs just had normal chairs. I thought it was only a Hollywood thing that they had couches. At least she doesn't make me lie down on it...

Therapists put whatever kind of furniture they feel like in their office.

Depending on how much room they have and how much money they want to spend on furniture, there may be more than one place to sit.

If that is the case, we will pay attention to where you sit and how you sit there... but you didn't hear that from me. We always pay attention to your body language. It's part of the job.

Yeah, I assumed as much. I think it's a recliner. I should recline it right back and get real comfy. I wonder what she'd think then...

[Collector1337]

Yes there is. You claim such a freedom can't exist because you can be murdered. That's totally misunderstanding what rights are. Rights aren't a guarantee of anything. They are an expectation of something. Using your logic, there can't be a 'freedom to life' as you can be killed. There can't be a 'freedom of movement' as you can be imprisoned. It's faulty logic.

I have to admit you got me to laugh pretty hard at this. You make the claim that I don't understand what rights are and then display a complete misunderstanding of rights.

Rights are much more than "expectations." Much more. Rights are fought and died for. "Expectations" aren't.

Honestly, your whole statement is comical. I feel that you wouldn't know what rights are if they came up and bit you in the ass.

Can you own a nuke in the US? Nope. That by definition is a lack of freedom.

The ridiculous nuke black and white fallacy again? Yeah, you totally got me... I don't have the freedom to own a nuke.

And yet after all the hyperbole, we still have a lower crime rate in Australia than the US.

[citation needed]

Tell that to all the Australian assault, rape, and murder victims. I'm sure that logic would go over well. "But... but... you don't matter because our crime rate is still low!"

Read above and I hope you will now understand why it's a handy rhetorical device.

You mean handy fallacy.

So you are saying there aren't teabilly militias all over the country just waiting for the government to allegedly break the constitution so they can storm Washington and reclaim their God given rights?

I don't think you know what militias are.

[pErvinalia]

Empty rhetoric. You're just trolling now.

[Collector1337]

You're just a redneck on the internet until proven otherwise. Your misuse of logic and bad reading comprehension certainly point to that possibility...

More bigoted terms.

I'm from Minnesota. I can't be a redneck.

If you don't believe me that's fine with me, it's funnier for me if you don't believe me.

Just like there's no girls on the internet. TITS OR GTFO!

Really? You find answering the fact that you are a very low probability to be a victim of terrorism, with the statement "Yeah, but 100% of dead people are dead" to be rational?!? He's quite obviously pre-occupied with Marxists and Islamist boogey men, let alone random criminals, and it interferes with his normal life (he has a bunker and has to be armed and have a bugout pack everywhere he goes; he's commented before he won't travel to certain states without reciprocal CC laws unless it is absolutely necessary).

Why are we talking about terrorism now? That's not what we're talking about.

Well, he is right. 100% of dead people are dead.

You seem pre-occupied with Seth.

How does having a bunker interfere with his life? So what if he doesn't want to go to states without CC? That's his choice. Just like whoever doesn't want to come to America because, holy shit it's anarchy. Good. Stay the fuck out.

In America, it might very well be. You've got gun inertia there (the crims already all have guns). In Australia, it's not a rational precaution on it's own, as there isn't the need for it here as there is there, and the more guns in society will mean more guns in criminal hands. So it's not rational in our society at all. Unless you only look at it from an individual's perspective, which is what you guys do.

Is Australia 100% crime free? If not, then it does make sense to carry a firearm for protection.

Looking at it from the individual's perspective is important.

You say not to catastrophize, but then talk as if citizens' firearm ownership would be anarchy in the streets and you would no longer have your "freedom from being murdered." Do you see the flaw in this line of thinking?

Not at all. Do you seriously think that gun crime would drop in Australia with widespread introduction of guns? THAT is flawed reasoning. The more guns there are in society, the more will be in criminal hands. Remember, Australia isn't like the US. We share no land borders with anyone, particularly a mafia and drug centric continent to your south. Sure, stuff would come in on shipping containers, but it's much harder to organise and easier to police than a massive open border. And ultimately, there isn't the market for guns here.

Of course you don't, but it is flawed thinking whether you think it is or not.

Why does only gun crime matter? Why not all crime? Why not individuals?

Enabling people to help themselves is a good thing. I think the market for firearms is probably bigger than you think.

In my job, I'm not in the business of helping people. I'm in the business of helping people to help themselves. Don't give a man a fish. Teach him to fish.

Let's all just argue in false dichotomies...

What false dichotomies are those?

[Hermit]

This is in my signature for a reason: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

[Collector1337]

Care to enlighten me as to your diagnoses?

Um, no.

Why not?

What's the formal diagnoses for being an anal twat?

Whatever you have.

You have a choice to answer questions or not, but you also don't have to be a child in your response.

And I never said you were clinically paranoid. You're just standard Merkan conservative paranoid...

There's only clinical paranoia. "standard American conservative paranoia" isn't a thing.

And I'm not conservative by the way.

Put yourself on your couch and investigate why it is you have such weird expectations.

What weird expectations are those?

You really can't read, can you?! The fucking expectation that I was replying to. If you could quote properly I would point it out for you.

I didn't expect you to appreciate what I appreciate due to your opinions on the matter. I don't see anything weird about that. Maybe you could explain it to me with your expertise in armchair psychology.

[Collector1337]

Yeah, I assumed as much. I think it's a recliner. I should recline it right back and get real comfy. I wonder what she'd think then...

That you're lazy and not taking therapy seriously.

[Collector1337]

Empty rhetoric. You're just trolling now.

Empty non-response. You're throwing in the towel.

That means I win. Too easy.

[pErvinalia]

You're just a redneck on the internet until proven otherwise. Your misuse of logic and bad reading comprehension certainly point to that possibility...

More bigoted terms.

Give it a rest. You are perfectly happy to denigrate other people. Don't be a baby.

I'm from Minnesota. I can't be a redneck.

Interesting logic there. Redneck is a culture, not a place. You seem to have a bit of the culture in you. Although, I do tend to get my Seths and his apparent clones mixed up. Maybe you're mild mannered. I really couldn't give a fuck either way. I judge you on the quality (or lack thereof) of your 'arguments'.

Really? You find answering the fact that you are a very low probability to be a victim of terrorism, with the statement "Yeah, but 100% of dead people are dead" to be rational?!? He's quite obviously pre-occupied with Marxists and Islamist boogey men, let alone random criminals, and it interferes with his normal life (he has a bunker and has to be armed and have a bugout pack everywhere he goes; he's commented before he won't travel to certain states without reciprocal CC laws unless it is absolutely necessary).

Why are we talking about terrorism now? That's not what we're talking about.

Regarding Seth, it is. I form my opinion of his paranoia based on all the interactions I have with him. You are apparently making a diagnosis without the full dataset. Tsk tsk. That's not good practice...

Well, he is right. 100% of dead people are dead.

No shit, Sherlock. But it's an irrational response to statistical probabilities. 100% of people who get hit by meteorites die too. Should we all live underground? Of course not. Risk analysis involves both the probability of an event happening and the severity of the probably outcome. Focusing on only the outcome is irrational.

You seem pre-occupied with Seth.

Well he's the only one to debate around here. And I've been debating him for 10 years. We're like those two Grumpy Old Men.

How does having a bunker interfere with his life? So what if he doesn't want to go to states without CC? That's his choice.

Yeah, just as it's an anxious person's choice not to go to public gatherings. The "choice" isn't the relevant bit. Don't play dumb. You know that the classification of mental illnesses relies heavily on whether it impedes your daily functioning. Let's be clear... I've got no idea whether Seth is clinically paranoid, and I couldn't give a fuck. But I do know that he is irrationally scared of a lot of things.

In America, it might very well be. You've got gun inertia there (the crims already all have guns). In Australia, it's not a rational precaution on it's own, as there isn't the need for it here as there is there, and the more guns in society will mean more guns in criminal hands. So it's not rational in our society at all. Unless you only look at it from an individual's perspective, which is what you guys do.

Is Australia 100% crime free? If not, then it does make sense to carry a firearm for protection.

Looking at it from the individual's perspective is important.

Sure, but without the societal context you will be making poor decisions. If increasing gun numbers in Australia led to increasing gun crime, then it would be self-defeating. That's the point I am trying to make.

You say not to catastrophize, but then talk as if citizens' firearm ownership would be anarchy in the streets and you would no longer have your "freedom from being murdered." Do you see the flaw in this line of thinking?

Not at all. Do you seriously think that gun crime would drop in Australia with widespread introduction of guns? THAT is flawed reasoning. The more guns there are in society, the more will be in criminal hands. Remember, Australia isn't like the US. We share no land borders with anyone, particularly a mafia and drug centric continent to your south. Sure, stuff would come in on shipping containers, but it's much harder to organise and easier to police than a massive open border. And ultimately, there isn't the market for guns here.

Of course you don't, but it is flawed thinking whether you think it is or not.

You haven't explained why it is flawed thinking, you have only asserted it. I've explained why it isn't flawed thinking.

I think the market for firearms is probably bigger than you think.

How in the fuck would you know? Have you ever left Merka??

Let's all just argue in false dichotomies...

What false dichotomies are those?

The one I was replying to that you haven't quoted, troll. Go back and read what I wrote.

[pErvinalia]

I've only got involved in this issue as Collector and you like to stick your noses in our business and tell us we are "slaves".

But... you are slaves.

This is in my signature for a reason: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

I see it the other way. I see it as you sticking your nose into other people's lives and imposing on them, keeping them from defending themselves appropriately because it interferes with your so-called "freedom from being murdered."

You prohibiting people from protecting themselves, making it that much easier for criminals, makes you just as guilty as the criminals. You are an accessory to the crime.

Just saw this now. I'm not doing anything. I have never voted on a gun issue in my life. If you had any understanding of the world outside Merka you'd realise that BOTH liberal and conservative major parties here support our restrictive gun culture. We really don't give a shit about guns. You are a totally different breed of people to the rest of the civilised world. You guys just don't understand that. You can't see past your own narrow experiences.

[pErvinalia]

Care to enlighten me as to your diagnoses?

Um, no.

Why not?

Because you are trolling, perhaps?

What's the formal diagnoses for being an anal twat?

Whatever you have.

You have a choice to answer questions or not, but you also don't have to be a child in your response.

You're a passive aggressive troll, I'm outright aggressive. Stop sooking.

And I never said you were clinically paranoid. You're just standard Merkan conservative paranoid...

There's only clinical paranoia. "standard American conservative paranoia" isn't a thing.

About that anal thing...

And I'm not conservative by the way.

Who did you vote for? What's your view on economics?

Put yourself on your couch and investigate why it is you have such weird expectations.

What weird expectations are those?

You really can't read, can you?! The fucking expectation that I was replying to. If you could quote properly I would point it out for you.

I didn't expect you to appreciate what I appreciate due to your opinions on the matter. I don't see anything weird about that. Maybe you could explain it to me with your expertise in armchair psychology.

You said: "I don't expect you to understand or appreciate it, but I find shooting, especially long range shooting, very therapeutic.". The point should be pretty easy to grok, even for you. I have no problem with the concept of long range shooting being very therapeutic. It makes eminent sense to me. It's something i'd LOVE to do. Hence why your expectations of what I might appreciate were outright wrong, and they are weird because they are seemingly based on nothing other than your preconceived biases.

[edited about 50 million times to get the last quote block sort of right. Ok, more like not totally bollocked up]

[pErvinalia]

Empty rhetoric. You're just trolling now.

Empty non-response. You're throwing in the towel.

That means I win. Too easy.

Yeah, well done champ. You winz the internets!