Paris attacks: Pope says freedom of speech has limits

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Paris attacks: Pope says freedom of speech has limits

Post by klr » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:41 pm

Pope Francis has defended freedom of expression following last week's attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo - but also stressed its limits.

The pontiff said religions had to be treated with respect, so that people's faiths were not insulted or ridiculed.

To illustrate his point, he told journalists that his assistant could expect a punch if he cursed his mother.

The remarks came as funerals were held for four people killed in the attack by militant Islamists.

Friends and family paid last respects to cartoonists Bernard Verlhac, known as Tignous, and Georges Wolinski, as well as columnist Elsa Cayat and policeman Franck Brinsolaro.

Eight magazine staff, a visitor to the magazine, a caretaker and two policemen died in the attack. A policewoman and four people at a kosher supermarket died in separate attacks.

Al-Qaeda said it had directed the Charlie Hebdo attack.

The magazine was targeted for publishing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. It printed another cartoon of the Prophet on its front page after the attacks, angering some Muslims who say all depictions of the Prophet should be forbidden.

France has deployed thousands of troops and police to boost security in the wake of last week's attacks. There have been retaliatory attacks against Muslim sites around France.

Meanwhile the creator of the "Je suis Charlie" slogan, which became a symbol of support for Charlie Hebdo, has applied for a patent, saying that he wants to prevent the commercial exploitation of the design and keep its original message intact.

'You cannot provoke'

Speaking to journalists flying with him to the Philippines, Pope Francis said last week's attacks were an "aberration", and such horrific violence in God's name could not be justified.

He staunchly defended freedom of expression, but then he said there were limits, especially when people mocked religion.

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri [who organises the Pope's trips] speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched," he said, throwing a pretend punch at the doctor, who was standing beside him.

"You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit."

Earlier President Francois Hollande vowed to protect Muslims who, he said, were the main victims of fanaticism, along with people of other religions.

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So, would the Pope condone Catholics acting in the same way as the Paris attackers? :ask:
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Re: Paris attacks: Pope says freedom of speech has limits

Post by Hermit » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:55 pm

The pontiff said religions had to be treated with respect, so that people's faiths were not insulted or ridiculed.
A like totally unbiased judgement from a man who has like absolutely not a single horse in the race. You've therefore got to like respect that. Amen!

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:28 am

Yeah, I didn't read past that sentence. No, religion doesn't have to be treated with respect.
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Post by piscator » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:06 am

I was glad they spit it in the first sentence or two, so I didn't have to skim down too far. :tup:

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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:07 am

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Re: Paris attacks: Pope says freedom of speech has limits

Post by JimC » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:01 am

Learn to cop it sweet, hucksters. You will get just as much ridicule as you deserve... :tea:
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Post by cronus » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:36 am

He's got a point. Religion is central to rights of passage currently so little wonder folks take it seriously? Until humanist/secular alternatives to things like marriages and funerals are widely and deeply accepted, after the coming mass die off nothing will change.
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Post by piscator » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:15 am

Ahh...the auld, "How do we get salvific fructification in our diet without fanciful peregrinations through the lush and nourishing orchards of subjectivity?" thing...




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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:38 am

The leader of a church providing commentary on freedom of speech? I'm sure he's eminently qualified.
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Post by JimC » Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:45 am

Suck it up, princess, is the correct reply...
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Post by Hermit » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:53 am

Thumpalumpacus wrote:The leader of a church providing commentary on freedom of speech? I'm sure he's eminently qualified.
He is quite consistent with his commentary, and firmly on the side of terrorism.
The pontiff said religions had to be treated with respect, so that people's faiths were not insulted or ridiculed. ... "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri [who organises the Pope's trips] speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched," he said, throwing a pretend punch at the doctor, who was standing beside him.

"You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit."
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Post by cronus » Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:22 am

Hermit wrote:
Thumpalumpacus wrote:The leader of a church providing commentary on freedom of speech? I'm sure he's eminently qualified.
He is quite consistent with his commentary, and firmly on the side of terrorism.
The pontiff said religions had to be treated with respect, so that people's faiths were not insulted or ridiculed. ... "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri [who organises the Pope's trips] speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched," he said, throwing a pretend punch at the doctor, who was standing beside him.

"You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit."

What about heresy then? Surely you can do heresy? Maybe gnosticism, Sufism, Californian Buddhism with some new age woo mixed in? And you get some colourful ethnic clothes? :tup:
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Post by mistermack » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:21 pm

Your muzzer was a hamster and your fazzer smelt of elderberries, you stoopeed pope man.
Go and boil your bottom.

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Post by laklak » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:59 pm

If they right eye offend thee, pluck it out. If some mofo disses yo mamma rip off his head and shit down his neck.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by cronus » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:58 pm

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