Hate Speech In Religious Texts

[JimC]

Fuck off, moron.

[Mark Dreher]

Fuck off, moron.

I think, that's why, "she brought up, the motor home".

So, I don't "bug you."

Is the reason.

You are going to have to trust me.

Why, are you called "Iriish Cherokee?" Why? Why the two, "ii's"?

Because "you're screaming it".

Is why.

You, are acknowledging, not even consciously, "Your personality", is "volatile".

So, that's what that is.

Knowing, each other? I think, we would last, "about two days", in the same home.

Before you "threw me out".

It is simply, "your personality", not good or bad, there.

It's called "high maintenance", the highest.

And, if you were not, high maintenance? You would not respect yourself.

So, that's the only we can go, to acknowledge, the "big personalities", of the players involved.

So, "that may be easier", and I could blog with you, remote, more.

And I enjoy, that.

It's an idea.

[JimC]

Your entire post is meaningless drivel, written by a deranged mind.

[pErvinalia]

I'm not reading another long post of idiocy and/or trolling from you, Seth. It's not an argument from authority fallacy to say that Christians follow their leaders. IT'S A SIMPLE FUCKING STATEMENT OF FACT. Go troll someone else, you Fucking troll.

I detect a note of intellectual panic in your post. It appears that you've realized that you're intellectually outmatched and you're vainly trying to salvage some sort of dignity from your debacle of an argument.

Poor thing.

But I note that I did not say that it was a fallacy for Christians to follow their leaders, I said that it's a fallacy for you to claim that their leaders are the authority on God merely because their followers follow them, which IS an argument from authority fallacy. The only authority on God is God. That should be perfectly obvious to any rational person, which evidently excludes you.

Now, it is true that Christian religious leaders are the authorities on Christian religious doctrine and dogma, but that is something entirely different from them being authorities on God. This, for the intellectually impaired, is true of every theistic religious authority. Don't blame me if you are unable to formulate your arguments with precision. My job is to analyze what you actually write and dissect the unreason and illogic I find, which I have done.

No one is talking about "God", troll. Other than you and Mark. That's because other than you two, no one else believes he exists. We are talking about religion. FFS, is it too much for us to expect that you could fucking read the words people write??

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[Mark Dreher]

The main problem that Seth has (among all the host of problems he has), is that he mixes us religion with God. The two aren't synonymous. They are distinct things. Religion is an organisational structure, which Christianity being more organised than say Islam, given it has definitive heads of religion. If Christians commit atrocities at the behest of the leaders of religion, then it is absolutely correct to say that religion is a negative influence on their actions. Seth seems to think we are saying God was telling Christians to kill Muslims. As usual, Seth can't read for comprehension. We've been dealing with this problem with him for fucking years. He'll never change.

My dear, "I do not", read your writings.

Willy nilly.

That's true.

That, is "beneath me".

And, "not allowed".

I never sent a fucking letter, "to the Russian girl", you will notice?

Right?

And very few, unsolicited, letters, to you.

I only, "respond".

I can not, initiate.

It is "not allowed".

I can't chase, anyone.

That, implies, that they are "somewhat, near me", in value.

i.e. equals.

And that is a lie.

That, is a "gross distortion".

They are really, fukkin ants, to me.

Really, ants.

And for me, "to even look at one", like I like it??

Something, I created?

Tellin me something?

It makes me want to vomit.

You, have no idea, "the level of politics", that are involved.

When I say, "I've never heard, you sing".

Or seen, "one, of your videos".

Or even, seen you on tv? I mean it.

THAT, IS NOT, FUKKIN ALLOWED.

She, would kill me, if, I approached you, "like a fan".

She, "would kill me, on the spot".

If I wasn't, "the manliest thing" , she has ever, seen.

One, "look away", one "flinch, "in fear"?

And "she would find me 'Disgusting'".

And kill me.

Right on the spot.

I am

"The Best"

Or dead.

Every second, of my life.

You have no idea

To be honest.

Really, no idea

What is involved.

Being, "a man"

In every way

Is the main thing.

[Seth]

I'm not reading another long post of idiocy and/or trolling from you, Seth. It's not an argument from authority fallacy to say that Christians follow their leaders. IT'S A SIMPLE FUCKING STATEMENT OF FACT. Go troll someone else, you Fucking troll.

I detect a note of intellectual panic in your post. It appears that you've realized that you're intellectually outmatched and you're vainly trying to salvage some sort of dignity from your debacle of an argument.

Poor thing.

But I note that I did not say that it was a fallacy for Christians to follow their leaders, I said that it's a fallacy for you to claim that their leaders are the authority on God merely because their followers follow them, which IS an argument from authority fallacy. The only authority on God is God. That should be perfectly obvious to any rational person, which evidently excludes you.

Now, it is true that Christian religious leaders are the authorities on Christian religious doctrine and dogma, but that is something entirely different from them being authorities on God. This, for the intellectually impaired, is true of every theistic religious authority. Don't blame me if you are unable to formulate your arguments with precision. My job is to analyze what you actually write and dissect the unreason and illogic I find, which I have done.

No one is talking about "God", troll. Other than you and Mark. That's because other than you two, no one else believes he exists. We are talking about religion. FFS, is it too much for us to expect that you could fucking read the words people write??

Ah, but in this case, in order to discuss the religion called "Christianity" it is necessary to discuss God, which is what I have been doing. Not quite sure what you're doing other than melting down intellectually.

You like to make claims that God did this or that or Jesus said or did this or that in an attempt to denigrate the religious beliefs of Christians, but your problem is that you cannot do so without necessarily making reference to the objects of religious veneration.

You don't say "Christians say this, that or the other thing about what Jesus is supposed to have said," you say (I paraphrase again) "Jesus said to kill his enemies, therefore all of Christianity is tainted by this statement." You treat and quote the statements in the Bible as if they are in fact true statements made by Jesus or are in fact the "word of God" in that what is said in the bible is inerrently true. You use this presumptive truth as the very basis for your arguments that demean and castigate Christians.

Logically, for your condemnations to withstand even the most cursory scrutiny, you need to provide critically robust evidence about the actual truth of the claims that you claim as true as the basis for your insults. Otherwise you are resting your entire argument in condemnation of Christians on an unsupported claim by theists about the nature, acts or words of God and/or Jesus.

If I tell you that Bilbo Baggins went to the Lonely Mountain and used the One Ring to make himself invisible and steal the Arkenstone from Smaug's hoard, and you then go on to decry Baggins as a thief and those who follow him as conspirators in theft and the murder of a harmless dragon, for this claim to be more than you engaging in rhetorical masturbation you need to show that Bilbo, Smaug, the Lonely Mountain, the Arkenstone and the One Ring actually exist.

The reason that you're making a circular argument and committing felony fallacies is that the conclusion of your argument presumes without evidence or support that the premise you use as its basis is true.

So, either you believe in God and Jesus and you are condemning them for their purported actions or words, or you don't believe in God or Jesus and you're making meaningless calumnies against imaginary things, which is generally seen as a symptom of mental illness and the inability to distinguish fiction from reality.

[pErvinalia]

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[Seth]

The main problem that Seth has (among all the host of problems he has),

You're one to talk...Go fuck yourself rEv.

is that he mixes us religion with God. The two aren't synonymous. They are distinct things.

Man oh man have I been waiting a long time for you to catch your scrotum in this particular cleft stick. I'm really going to enjoy this. Lube up pal, because I'm about to stick your reasoning right up your ass.

Religion is an organisational structure,

Absolutely 100 percent correct! High marks there rEv. Now, please remember that YOU SAID IT.

which Christianity being more organised than say Islam, given it has definitive heads of religion. If Christians commit atrocities at the behest of the leaders of religion, then it is absolutely correct to say that religion is a negative influence on their actions.

I'll dispose of this before I get around to shoving your words up your fundament.

Yes, you're quite right. If a person is religious about something and commits some wrong (atrocity or otherwise) at the behest of the leaders of that religion, then that religion has a negative influence on their actions.

Therefore, when members of the Atheist religion such as yourself commit the wrong of denigrating Christians who do not and have not committed any atrocities at the behest of their religious authorities by tarring them with the Wayback Machine fallacy in order to suggest that contemporary Christians are responsible and liable for wrongs done in the name of Christ in the deep past, then it is inevitably true that your religious beliefs have a negative influence on your actions.

Seth seems to think we are saying God was telling Christians to kill Muslims.

Yes, because that's exactly what you do when you quote Jesus as saying "slay my enemies before me" as fuel for a bigoted argument against Christians.

Here are your errors of reasoning:

You are assuming without evidence that Jesus said that.

You are therefore assuming that Jesus actually existed and did and said the things recorded in the New Testament.

You link Jesus to God in a very obvious manner by referring to the God of the Old Testament as the same God that Jesus refers to.

You are assuming that what you quoted is what Jesus actually meant.

You evidently assume that Jesus' followers did as he commanded at some point.

You indict God based on what someone said Jesus said two thousand years ago.

To indict God on any basis requires that you first believe that God exists and did the things for which you condemn him.

You claim to "have no belief in god" when in fact every argument you make manifests just such a belief along with a good deal of anger at God over his purported acts and instructions.

You see, a rational person who actually does not believe in God or Jesus would respond very simply to the Wayback Machine fallacy facts you keep touting. He would say something along the lines of "A lot of people have used the excuse that they are doing the will of some unproven deity as justification for perpetrating evil and immoral acts on others, but this neither speaks to the existence or non-existence of the purported deity nor to any actual command, instruction or act by such a purported deity, it speaks only to the evil in some people and their inability to take responsibility for their own actions. Instead they must try to lay the blame on "God" or some such imaginary being in order to salve their conscience and self-rationalize their evil deeds."

That's what a thoughtful, intelligent, rational adult would say.

Clearly that's not you though. You simply manifest gross intolerance and bigotry towards people you don't know who have not done you or anyone else harm merely because they associate with a set of religious beliefs that you abhor.

[pErvinalia]

tl;dr.

Seth, we don't believe in God, or Jesus (in the sense that he said anything quoted in the bible), hence it's idiocy of the highest order to say that we claim "God said this" or "Jesus said that". Go back to school and learn basic logic. You have absolutely no clue how to prosecute a coherent argument.

[Seth]

tl;dr.

Seth, we don't believe in God, or Jesus (in the sense that he said anything quoted in the bible), hence it's idiocy of the highest order to say that we claim "God said this" or "Jesus said that". Go back to school and learn basic logic. You have absolutely no clue how to prosecute a coherent argument.

I agree, it's the highest idiocy, which you keep right on repeating time after time after time in your blind hatred and bigotry.

I sense more desperation in your reply.

If you don't believe in God or Jesus, why do you keep quoting them as if they existed? As I said, because it's a convenient way for you to bash Christianity without having to put an iota of thought or reason into play.

Mindless, irrational, illogical bigotry is your forte.

[pErvinalia]

Where the fuck have I quoted them, you trolling twat? I haven't. Exactly the same as you can't find any quotes of any of us saying that God doesn't exist despite you constantly asserting that we say that. You're a fucking broken record. Troll someone else.

[Mark Dreher]

Your entire post is meaningless drivel, written by a deranged mind.

Well, I would think about it, you know, mull it over.

It, a, well, I don't know, I just heard the plan, myself.

So, I'm trying to figure it out, too, in addition.

Seems, like a lot, to take in.

I have to think about it, myself.

I am, going to take a nap.

Haven't said that, in years.

I have to talk to her, a little bit.

And see, stuff.

So, I'm going to do that, for an hour.

Now, I'm going.

I feel real drained, holy smokes.

Let me see you, in an hour.

[Mark Dreher]

Where the fuck have I quoted them, you trolling twat? I haven't. Exactly the same as you can't find any quotes of any of us saying that God doesn't exist despite you constantly asserting that we say that. You're a fucking broken record. Troll someone else.

There is no one else.

You know "a pretty airhead", would be much better, for me.

Less trouble.

But, that's not the cards, I've been dealt.

And you would do much better, "with a wimp", because, you know, you probably have more testosterone, than me.

It comes with, "who you are".

Tightly, wound.

That's just, the way.

Shekinah, is aggressive.

So, I'm probably not, "your soma type", they are called.

Basically, who you like.

You like "little twerps", about your size, "but handsome".

Handsome, little fellers.

Is what, "you would naturally", go for.

That, is your soma type.

Not a big old brute, "who looks like your dad", basically, the same.

As your dad.

So, "if you're not attracted to me", I can probably, get you out of this.

Because, you will never, be attracted to me, I am just, "not your type".

I don't, get you wet, as they say.

I told Shekinah, she probably, don't like, my type.

And she said:

"I can get out of it", if you don't "fundamentally", like me.

If you don't think my body, is appealing, to you.

You don't have to.

So..

There is an out.

You will be glad to know.

We all, have options.

There is a plan B.

If, you don't like me.

I didn't mean, to imply, there wasn't.

It just, hasn't been told, to me.

She never really, tells me in advance.

But, there must be, a plan B.

I'm sure.

Don't listen, to her.

She always, says there isn't.

But I think, she is lying.

I'm pretty sure.