Hate Speech In Religious Texts

[cronus]

Harmless banter from God?

[Hermit]

Firstly, hate speech in religious texts does not emanate from any god. Secondly, the harm depends on what people make of it. These days Christians ignore Luke 19:27 entirely, for instance. This was not always the case. The verse was used to justify and motivate people to participate in the crusades and countless internecine religious wars as well as the torture and killing of heretics.

In case you need reminding, Luke 19:27 reports Jesus as saying "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

[cronus]

Firstly, hate speech in religious texts does not emanate from any god. Secondly, the harm depends on what people make of it. These days Christians ignore Luke 19:27 entirely, for instance. This was not always the case. The verse was used to justify and motivate people to participate in the crusades and countless internecine religious wars as well as the torture and killing of heretics.

In case you need reminding, Luke 19:27 reports Jesus as saying "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

I'll have to remember that one. Never read it before.

[Hermit]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

[cronus]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

That's very interesting to know. Thanks.

[cronus]

[JimC]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

I could see Fred Phelps using it before he joined he undead...

[pErvinalia]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

This perhaps highlights a critical difference between Christianity and Islam? Islam has no central religious authority. That is, any whackjob can call himself a sheik and say pretty much what he wants. But Christianity has to turn to its leaders like the Poop or the Other Dude in a Dress to get an authoritative opinion on Gawd's word. The other obvious problem is that the Quran (and the Jewish bollocks book?) don't have a more moderate version like the New Testament, I believe. Both of those religions need to modernise somehow. Not sure how that is going to happen without a leading authority or organisation to do it.

[JimC]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

This perhaps highlights a critical difference between Christianity and Islam? Islam has no central religious authority. That is, any whackjob can call himself a sheik and say pretty much what he wants. But Christianity has to turn to its leaders like the Poop or the Other Dude in a Dress to get an authoritative opinion on Gawd's word. The other obvious problem is that the Quran (and the Jewish bollocks book?) don't have a more moderate version like the New Testament, I believe. Both of those religions need to modernise somehow. Not sure how that is going to happen without a leading authority or organisation to do it.

An even more important difference is that christianity, which in the past has produced as much virulent evil as any religion, had its teeth comprehensively pulled in Europe in the past by a combination of the self-interest of secular rulers, and the heroic efforts of enlightenment thinkers over centuries. Islam hasn't yet been emasculated successfully...

[Hermit]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

This perhaps highlights a critical difference between Christianity and Islam? Islam has no central religious authority. That is, any whackjob can call himself a sheik and say pretty much what he wants. But Christianity has to turn to its leaders like the Poop or the Other Dude in a Dress to get an authoritative opinion on Gawd's word. The other obvious problem is that the Quran (and the Jewish bollocks book?) don't have a more moderate version like the New Testament, I believe. Both of those religions need to modernise somehow. Not sure how that is going to happen without a leading authority or organisation to do it.

An even more important difference is that christianity, which in the past has produced as much virulent evil as any religion, had its teeth comprehensively pulled in Europe in the past by a combination of the self-interest of secular rulers, and the heroic efforts of enlightenment thinkers over centuries. Islam hasn't yet been emasculated successfully...

Seems to me that you may be getting the message now, namely that what adherents of any particular religions do depends more on social conditions they are enveloped in than what is written in their holy texts.

[cronus]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

This perhaps highlights a critical difference between Christianity and Islam? Islam has no central religious authority. That is, any whackjob can call himself a sheik and say pretty much what he wants. But Christianity has to turn to its leaders like the Poop or the Other Dude in a Dress to get an authoritative opinion on Gawd's word. The other obvious problem is that the Quran (and the Jewish bollocks book?) don't have a more moderate version like the New Testament, I believe. Both of those religions need to modernise somehow. Not sure how that is going to happen without a leading authority or organisation to do it.

An even more important difference is that christianity, which in the past has produced as much virulent evil as any religion, had its teeth comprehensively pulled in Europe in the past by a combination of the self-interest of secular rulers, and the heroic efforts of enlightenment thinkers over centuries. Islam hasn't yet been emasculated successfully...

Seems to me that you may be getting the message now, namely that what adherents of any particular religions do depends more on social conditions they are enveloped in than what is written in their holy texts.

Get rid of their religion that is impeding them formulating a rational debate. It is logical.

[Hermit]

INever read it before.

Of course not. No Christian cleric ever uses it as the topic of his sermon these days, and Christians don't generally bother actually reading their own religious texts on their own. So while that piece of what you might term hate speech (more accurately it's a command to commit murder on a massive scale) does actually exist in the Bible, no Christian makes anything of it at all. The same verse was very effective to drive Christians into participating in massive massacres as well as systematic and lethal persecution of individuals. That's my point.

This perhaps highlights a critical difference between Christianity and Islam? Islam has no central religious authority. That is, any whackjob can call himself a sheik and say pretty much what he wants.

Not really. While there is no Islamic equivalent of a Pope, Christianity consists of a multitude of denominations, each of which have their particular leaders. Then there are uncounted factions within those denominations. Have a look at the change of policy between the Polish and the German fascists and the lovey dovey Argentinean Pope in the RCC, for instance. A different faction has become dominant for now. More importantly those Popes' pontifications are circumscribed by the Zeitgeist within which they officiate, and that Zeitgeist keeps changing.

[cronus]

Removing the pivotal figures who promote carnage in Islam or Christianity or both, should be straightforward in this day and age. All it requires is the will. The organisation. The vision. And that will change the weighting on the board.

[Hermit]

Pivotal figures are figureheads. Change social conditions and you get different figureheads.

[cronus]

Pivotal figures are figureheads. Change social conditions and you get different figureheads.

Cheap easy to remove oil about gone, climate change off the scale, most the worlds productive powers in the hands of the most repressive regime the Earth has known. Not asking much are you?