Which is worse : Ebola or Religion ?

[Seth]

But they didn't kill people out of a lack of belief in God. They did it for the same reason Hitler did it. They were just cunts.

Ah, but they did. As Marx points out in the quote so aptly provided, Marxism actively seeks to destroy belief in God because belief in God is "false" and it interferes with the socialist proletarian uniformity and conformity that is necessary for the collectivist state to function properly.

Therefore, it is exactly and precisely a lack of belief in God that motivated the aforesaid scumbags to oppress and destroy religious belief and practice.

Atheism, therefore, has killed a hundred million people in the last century alone, far more than all religions combined have in all of known history.

[Seth]

Irreligion, however, has killed more people than ebola and religion combined and is coming close to matching the Black Plague in it's lethality.

Who exactly was driven by a lack of religion to kill people?

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and every other Marxist dictator on earth.

That is such a pathetic fallacy, that if you weren't a declared troll, I would say you are incredibly stupid.
As it is, it's a pathetic attempt at trolling, pretty stupid in it's own right.

What's pathetic is your inability to support your claims with even a smidgen of reason.

I happen to have both historical facts and Marx's own words on the subject supporting my claim.

You lose.

[pErvinalia]

But they didn't kill people out of a lack of belief in God. They did it for the same reason Hitler did it. They were just cunts.

Ah, but they did. As Marx points out in the quote so aptly provided, Marxism actively seeks to destroy belief in God because belief in God is "false" and it interferes with the socialist proletarian uniformity and conformity that is necessary for the collectivist state to function properly.

Therefore, it is exactly and precisely a lack of belief in God that motivated the aforesaid scumbags to oppress and destroy religious belief and practice.

Atheism, therefore, has killed a hundred million people in the last century alone, far more than all religions combined have in all of known history.

That's some really shit logic there, Seth. I'm going to default to you trolling as opposed to being that bad with logic.

[Seth]

But they didn't kill people out of a lack of belief in God. They did it for the same reason Hitler did it. They were just cunts.

Ah, but they did. As Marx points out in the quote so aptly provided, Marxism actively seeks to destroy belief in God because belief in God is "false" and it interferes with the socialist proletarian uniformity and conformity that is necessary for the collectivist state to function properly.

Therefore, it is exactly and precisely a lack of belief in God that motivated the aforesaid scumbags to oppress and destroy religious belief and practice.

Atheism, therefore, has killed a hundred million people in the last century alone, far more than all religions combined have in all of known history.

That's some really shit logic there, Seth. I'm going to default to you trolling as opposed to being that bad with logic.

What's wrong with my logic exactly? It's a historical fact that all of the above took great pains to destroy organized religions, their churches, their icons and their members. This genocidal behavior was generated by an atheistic animus against theism which necessarily includes a "lack of belief in God." Marx could not have been more clear in his disdain and hatred of the very concept of "God" manifest in much of his work and explicitly set forth in the recent quote. Stalin and every other Communist leader of the USSR right up to Gorbachev, Mao and his replacements, Pol Pot, Castro, Chavez...there's not one Marxist leader who hasn't been an atheist and an Atheist.

Do you have any actual counter argument or are you just trolling...or are you that bad with logic?

[pErvinalia]

It's a non-sequitur Seth. Their lack of belief had nothing to do with their mass killing. Like Hitler they killed because they were gross authoritarians. You are taking two points and linking them when their exists no logical link. Correlation vs causation.

[Gallstones]

My top votes would go to nationalism and capitalism.

My vote goes to naive, childish idealism.

[Seth]

It's a non-sequitur Seth. Their lack of belief had nothing to do with their mass killing. Like Hitler they killed because they were gross authoritarians. You are taking two points and linking them when their exists no logical link. Correlation vs causation.

Wrong. They killed people of religion and destroyed their churches precisely because they were atheists. Their lack of belief had everything to do with their genocide against people of religion and their religious communities, structures, icons and other manifestations of religion that were brutally stamped out at every opportunity.

You can try to evade the truth, but it remains the truth no matter how much you deny it.

[Hermit]

It's a non-sequitur Seth. Their lack of belief had nothing to do with their mass killing. Like Hitler they killed because they were gross authoritarians. You are taking two points and linking them when their exists no logical link. Correlation vs causation.

Wrong. They killed people of religion and destroyed their churches precisely because they were atheists. Their lack of belief had everything to do with their genocide against people of religion and their religious communities, structures, icons and other manifestations of religion that were brutally stamped out at every opportunity.

You can try to evade the truth, but it remains the truth no matter how much you deny it.

Once again: correlation is not causation.

[Animavore]

My top votes would go to nationalism and capitalism.

My vote goes to naive, childish idealism.

Of which the laissez-faire capitalism promoted by juvenille Ayn Rand worshippers is one.

[cronus]

Ebola is only starting. It'd be a good idea to wait twelve months and then ask again with regards the survivors?

[rainbow]

I happen to have both historical facts and Marx's own words on the subject supporting my claim.

You lose.

Marx wasn't even a true Scotsman, therefore you lose.

[Animavore]

Even if Communism is driven by a form of anti-theistic, doctrinal atheism, so fucking what? If you're an atheist, but not a Communist/Marxist then why get defensive? It's fuck all to do with you what a bunch of idealisitic storm-troopers for unsupported utopian pipedreams do.

[Seth]

It's a non-sequitur Seth. Their lack of belief had nothing to do with their mass killing. Like Hitler they killed because they were gross authoritarians. You are taking two points and linking them when their exists no logical link. Correlation vs causation.

Wrong. They killed people of religion and destroyed their churches precisely because they were atheists. Their lack of belief had everything to do with their genocide against people of religion and their religious communities, structures, icons and other manifestations of religion that were brutally stamped out at every opportunity.

You can try to evade the truth, but it remains the truth no matter how much you deny it.

Once again: correlation is not causation.

In this case it is. That much is manifest from Marxist documents and actions.

[pErvinalia]

Marx didn't kill anyone. Stalin and Mao etc weren't Marxists.

Anyway, I'm sure some top level religious were killed by the dictators. But the key point is that they killed anyone who was politically opposed to them. POLITICALLY. That's the key point. The same with all authoritarians of all political stripes.

[Seth]

Even if Communism is driven by a form of anti-theistic, doctrinal atheism, so fucking what?

Kir says, "Religion. We'll find a cure for Ebola and/or be able to contain it, given sufficient time and resources. Religion is a lot harder to deal with, and has killed a lot more people."

I said, "Irreligion, however, has killed more people than ebola and religion combined and is coming close to matching the Black Plague in it's lethality."

MM asks, "Who exactly was driven by a lack of religion to kill people?"

I responded, "Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and every other Marxist dictator on earth."

rEv said, "But they didn't kill people out of a lack of belief in God. They did it for the same reason Hitler did it. They were just cunts."

I debunked that specious claim that's always heard when someone points out that atheism is in fact responsible for more deaths than theism.

That's so fucking what.

If you're an atheist, but not a Communist/Marxist then why get defensive?

I'm not defensive, I'm offensive.

When I hear the idiotic arguments about how many people religion is alleged to have killed, I find it worthwhile to point out that irreligion has killed many, many times as many people, therefore the implied moral superiority of atheism and of Atheists in deriding religion is, well, complete bullshit and that's what I'm calling it.

It's fuck all to do with you what a bunch of idealisitic storm-troopers for unsupported utopian pipedreams do.

You mean Atheists?

Well, they annoy me and my religious friends by interfering with their right to freely practice their religion, so it has a fuck of a lot to do with me.