Logic and reason =/= Atheism

[laklak]

Has anyone here ever claimed that all atheists are logical and reasonable, or that logic and reason are the sole preserve of atheists?

[piscator]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Beliefs haven't got some sort of immunity from rational criticism. A situation where someone is emotionally fragile may require some forbearance from face-to-face criticism, but that's all. You are over-reacting; criticising beliefs is not the same as causing harm to someone because of their beliefs, a practice which does indeed happen in the current world (usually by religiously motivated cretins attacking people for believing in the wrong sky fairy), and certainly was practiced by the christian establishment of the past.

Remember, criticizing religion is arrogant and reeks of hubris, which, as everyone knows, angers the Gods. But it's OK to criticize the followers of Atheism, even though Atheism is as much a religion as any other. See how that works, Jim?

[JimC]

Has anyone here ever claimed that all atheists are logical and reasonable, or that logic and reason are the sole preserve of atheists?

Well, it's certainly true of me, but possibly not the rest of you rabble...

[laklak]

Has anyone here ever claimed that all atheists are logical and reasonable, or that logic and reason are the sole preserve of atheists?

Well, it's certainly true of me, but possibly not the rest of you rabble...

You live upside down, how reasonable is that?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see.

But apparently, it is of enough interest to YOU and enough of YOUR business for you to post this here? And with a completely misleading title?

Please, share where there is ANY logic or reason in this guy's decision making process? He had a personal revelation/epiphany - happens all the time. People suddenly realise that they no longer love the person that they have been married to for decades, that they are gay, that they believe in god, or that they don't believe in god. Whatever it is that suddenly becomes clear to them, their decision is based on purely personal, emotive reasoning - not logic.

If his decision was logical, it should be possible to explain the progression of steps that leads to the conclusion - but it isn't - it just comes down to feelings that the rest of us cannot share and thus cannot respond to in the way that he did.

If his decision makes him happier, that's good for him. However, if it makes him ring my doorbell at 8:00am on a Sunday fucking morning, he can fuck off and die!

[piscator]

but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see.

But apparently, it is of enough interest to YOU and enough of YOUR business for you to post this here? And with a completely misleading title?

Please, share where there is ANY logic or reason in this guy's decision making process? He had a personal revelation/epiphany - happens all the time. People suddenly realise that they no longer love the person that they have been married to for decades, that they are gay, that they believe in god, or that they don't believe in god. Whatever it is that suddenly becomes clear to them, their decision is based on purely personal, emotive reasoning - not logic.

If his decision was logical, it should be possible to explain the progression of steps that leads to the conclusion - but it isn't - it just comes down to feelings that the rest of us cannot share and thus cannot respond to in the way that he did.

If his decision makes him happier, that's good for him. However, if it makes him ring my doorbell at 8:00am on a Sunday fucking morning, he can fuck off and die!

Acts>Beliefs

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

[Brian Peacock]

There's absolutely nothing rational or logical about denigrating a belief system or systems that helps 80 percent of the population of the planet cope with the stresses of their lives.

But by the same token there's nothing unreasonable about applying logic and reason to the content of those comforting beliefs.

[Brian Peacock]

Sooooo ... one guy's experiences make for a universal truth, do they? Shome mishtake, shurely.

No, but why is someone else's belief system of interest to you at all? So long as they aren't hurting you, it's none of your business at all, you see. Criticizing other people's beliefs is an act of hubris and arrogance and disdain, not logic and reason. It's not about what others believe, it's about how you follow your own religious dogma.

Beliefs haven't got some sort of immunity from rational criticism. A situation where someone is emotionally fragile may require some forbearance from face-to-face criticism, but that's all. You are over-reacting; criticising beliefs is not the same as causing harm to someone because of their beliefs, a practice which does indeed happen in the current world (usually by religiously motivated cretins attacking people for believing in the wrong sky fairy), and certainly was practiced by the christian establishment of the past.

Remember, criticizing religion is arrogant and reeks of hubris, which, as everyone knows, angers the Gods. But it's OK to criticize the followers of Atheism, even though Atheism is as much a religion as any other. See how that works, Jim?

I lolled.

[MiM]

Phhuii, Belief in religion. Among others, Dennett has worked through this issue quite thoroughly in his books. There's nothing new to see here, please walk on

[Svartalf]

Dennett? Having been rather disappointed by Dawk's TGD, I'm interested in better books...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Dennett? Having been rather disappointed by Dawk's TGD, I'm interested in better books...

Then you couldn't be looking in a better place!

Try Breaking the Spell and Darwin's Dangerous Idea. Both excellent.

[Svartalf]

Bookmarked on Amazon, waiting for budget

[Animavore]

I'm not sure what Seth wanted us to say.

"Whoa! I'd never thought about it like that. I can't believe I've been so wrong all these years. Oh Lord, please forgive this wretched sinner and take me back into your fold."

FFS.

[laklak]

The scales fell from my eyes, and I vowed never again to clean fish without my sunglasses.

[Hermit]

Find out more about “Matthew 13:44″ here.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field." Verily, how could I have been so blind not to see the reason of theism.