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[Rum]

The UK police are surreptitiously beginning to routinely arm police officers. I never thought I wouyld see the day. And I'm very surprised more of a fuss isn't being made. We are supposed to have 'policing by consent' in this country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28656324


Britain's first armed police on routine patrol
By Jon Kelly BBC News Magazine

In a little-noticed move, a small number of police officers are now routinely carrying sidearms while on patrol in much of Scotland - the first in the UK outside Northern Ireland to do so. How did this come about, and does it alter the relationship between the constabulary and the public?

Saturday night in Inverness. Outside a McDonald's restaurant, a scuffle between two men breaks out. Three police officers arrive to intervene. So far, so mundane.

Except that strapped around the hips of each of the policemen approaching the brawl is a holstered Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol.

It's a sight that once would have been unthinkable. In this corner of the Scottish Highlands - an area with one of the lowest crime rates in the UK - the officers showing up to a relatively workaday disturbance are armed.

Although every police force has a firearms unit, for decades it has been an article of faith that in the mainland UK, almost uniquely among major industrialised nations, the police do not carry guns as a matter of course.

But with little fanfare at first, a policy of routinely allowing specialist officers to wear sidearms as they walk the streets of Scotland has come into being.

After the incident in Inverness was captured by a local photographer on 12 July, local politicians expressed fears that the tradition of an unarmed constabulary was being surreptitiously eroded - a charge that would have implications for everyone in the UK.

John Finnie, an independent Member of the Scottish Parliament and former police officer, was approached by a constituent who said he had seen armed officers at the finishing line of the Highland Cross biathlon in the sleepy town of Beauly. The man told the MSP he "felt less safe", assuming some sort of major incident was under way.

Other sightings of armed officers in incongruous settings had emerged - at a bakery in the village of Brora, at a branch of Aldi in Inverness. They were also photographed at a routine traffic incident in Glasgow city centre.

Police Scotland, the single Scotland-wide force, say when specialist officers are not deployed on active firearms duty, it is expected that they carry out normal policing duties while carrying their sidearms.

This policy was introduced by the former Strathclyde force in 2008, and followed by Tayside in 2009 and Northern Constabulary just before the single force was created in 2013. Hitherto, firearms officers had to retrieve their weapons under a senior officer's authorisation from a locked safe in an armed response vehicle.

Until this point, most people hadn't actually noticed that the policy had altered. Jimmy Gray, the leader of Highland Council, says Northern Constabulary's Joint Police Board was not fully informed what the change would mean. "It horrifies most people around here," he says.

The British position
New Scotland Yard Press Bureau

A 2006 survey of 47,328 Police Federation members found 82% did not want officers to be routinely armed on duty.
For decades there have been incidents that have led to calls for issuing all officers with firearms.
While some in London were issued with revolvers before 1936, from that date only trained officers at the rank of sergeant or above were issued with guns. Today only a small proportion of officers are authorised to use firearms.
In London, the sight of armed officers at airports, embassies and other security-sensitive locations has become a familiar one

Why British police don’t have guns

Following an outcry, however, the Scottish Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill addressed MSPs at Holyrood on Tuesday to defend it. He said the public "understands and accepts" the need for a "small number" of officers to be armed and for the chief constable of Police Scotland, Sir Stephen House, to have operational independence over their deployment.

But in the Highlands, where 16 officers are authorised to routinely carry sidearms, hostility remains strong among elected representatives, who fear that the change in tactics will only encourage criminals to arm themselves more heavily.

Finnie, MSP for the Highlands and Islands, has led the opposition in the Scottish Parliament. He says it is unnecessary as officers are walking around "the safest place in the UK" with sidearms, and that the policy will only serve to frighten people.

Critics pointed out the widening of the policy comes after figures for 2012-13 showed firearm offences in Scotland had fallen by 32% to the lowest for 10 years. Homicides, attempted murders and robberies in which firearms were involved were all down too.

Petitions opposing the policy were started by local MP Danny Alexander and the Inverness Courier newspaper. Some 59 of 80 Highland councillors supported a motion tabled at the full council calling for a review.

But following a meeting with Highland councillors in July, divisional commander Ch Supt Elaine Ferguson said the policy was unlikely to change.

Ever since Robert Peel created the Metropolitan Police in 1829, the British force's unarmed status has been central to its identity. Some in London were issued with revolvers prior to 1936, but after that date only trained officers ranked at sergeant or above were issued with guns, and even then only if they could show a good reason.

This was underpinned by the principle of policing by consent - the notion that officers owe their primary duty to those they serve, rather than to the state. The only forces in the UK which are routinely armed are in Northern Ireland, the Ministry of Defence Police and the Civil Nuclear Constabulary.

According to Richard Garside, director of the Centre of Crime and Justice Studies, the sight of armed police has become more common in recent decades at airports and at places like the House of Commons. Cases like the murder of PC Sharon Beshenivsky, shot dead during a robbery in 2005, or of the three plain-clothes officers murdered by Harry Roberts in west London in 1966, have led to calls for the police to be armed.

The international model
NYPD police

All major police forces in Europe, as well as the US, Canada and Australia routinely carry firearms
The exceptions are Britain, the Irish Republic and New Zealand
In Norway officers carry arms in their cars but not on their person
New Zealand has adopted an armed response model similar to Britain, according to the International Law Enforcement Forum


In November 2011, Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe called for police response officers to be routinely armed with Tasers and in 2007 the centre-right think-tank Policy Exchange found 72% of 2,156 adults wanted to see more armed police patrols.

But a 2006 survey of 47,328 Police Federation members found 82% did not want officers to be routinely armed on duty, despite almost half saying their lives had been "in serious jeopardy" during the previous three years.

Nonetheless, Garside says the policy in Scotland represents an "escalation" and will appear surprising to a public which still cherishes a Dixon of Dock Green ideal of policing.

"It does change the dynamic between the police and the public", he says. "It's always slightly alarming or unusual to see police officers in the UK carrying guns."

Police Scotland insists that it is a long way from routinely arming those who serve in it. There has been no increase in the number of armed personnel. Out of 17,318 Scottish officers, only 275 routinely carry guns while on duty - 1.6% of the total. Because they work shifts, a much smaller number will be on duty at any one time.

In a statement, Deputy Chief Constable Ian Livingstone said the change in policy was necessary to correct a "previous postcode lottery of services", adding that shootings in Dunblane, Cumbria, Hungerford and Northumberland demonstrated that rural areas were not immune from the threat of gun crime.

He added that it made sense for armed officers "to support their colleagues in local policing divisions through regular patrols and routine tasks" when they are not carrying out their specialist duty - citing the example of a 79-year-old woman who was rescued from the Caledonian Canal in Inverness by armed officers, who were the closest unit on hand to assist.

But Finnie says it isn't necessary for them to wear sidearms strapped to their hips while they carry out this kind of assistance. During his 10 years as a dog handler, he says, he would regularly be called to assist colleagues dealing with robberies or domestic violence incidents, but "I didn't take my 90lb snarling animal along with me".

In addition, Dr Mick North, whose five-year-old daughter Sophie died at Dunblane Primary in 1996, hit out at the force for citing the tragedy in support of its policy. He said changes to the system would not have helped as "the incident was all over in three minutes".

Police Scotland say they have only received one complaint from a member of the public about the policy, but a quarterly review in September "will take account of the views raised so far".

Until then, brawlers outside fast food restaurants in the Highlands run the risk of being confronted by better-equipped bobbies than in the past.

[cronus]

Preparation for the widespread civil unrest should Scotland go it's own way and start using toilet paper as a currency. Don't fear the gun, fear the character of the person holding it.

[Tero]

At least they can point them and say: put your hands up! In Florida you pull out the gun and shoot. No announcements.

[laklak]

In Scotland they say "Stop, or I'll shoot!" In England they say "Stop! Or I shall be forced to shout Stop again!" In San Francisco they say "Stop! NEVER wear brown shoes with a blue suit!"

[piscator]

In a statement, Deputy Chief Constable Ian Livingstone said the change in policy was necessary to correct a "previous postcode lottery of services", adding that shootings in Dunblane, Cumbria, Hungerford and Northumberland demonstrated that rural areas were not immune from the threat of gun crime.


So this new "Strap on his lap and a bulletproof vest" thing is arbitrary, and not really a response to anything new or particular?

[Rum]

A desensitisation ploy if you ask me.

[cronus]

A desensitisation ploy if you ask me.

Preparation for the North here becoming more like North Korea.

[mistermack]

That's Scottish Nationalists for you.

Did they ask the Scottish people? No. Are they sacking anyone for bringing this in without consultation?
No.

That was fucking cynical citing the Dunblane massacre. These cops would have made no difference there. The fact that they do this, without asking the public, just shows the contempt they have for them. Basically, it's ''we know best'' and ''don't ask questions''.

I would sack that man at the top immediately, and get the decision reversed.

And they have the cheek to say that nobody's complained. Nobody knew, that's why.
If I lived in Scotland, I'd be organising a campaign of official complaints about the policy.
Not en masse. One at a time, as every person has the right to do.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Idiocy.

[klr]

These essentially "regular" police, with no special mission? Seems nuts to me.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Give it a month and Alex Salmond will "accidentally" be killed while tending his begonias in an aggressive manner...

[JimC]

In Victoria, all our police are armed. Typically, they also have either capsicum spray or tasers as well, to allow for a non-lethal response.

All here know I'm not exactly a fan of guns, but I'm not opposed to our current arrangement. Some years ago, the level of police shootings was on the high side, but better training and non-lethal options seems to have reduced this considerably.

[mistermack]

In Victoria, all our police are armed. Typically, they also have either capsicum spray or tasers as well, to allow for a non-lethal response.

All here know I'm not exactly a fan of guns, but I'm not opposed to our current arrangement. Some years ago, the level of police shootings was on the high side, but better training and non-lethal options seems to have reduced this considerably.

One is too many. But if they carry guns, they ought to be obliged to shoot any dog not on a lead.
At least some good would come of it then.