Another shot at the case against gnus

[piscator]

Black bear attack reported near Columbia Falls Jul 03 2014

Wildlife officials are investigating a black bear attack on a woman running with her dogs Thursday morning. It happened on Forest Service property in the Cedar Flats area north of Columbia Falls.

Initial reports say the bear attacked the dogs and then attacked the runner, before leaving the scene.

27 fatal black bear attacks in the 2000s=2.7/y on 350 million people=<1/1000000. You may as well go into the Colorado woods with lightning protection as "bear protection".

Well, yeah. Lightning is quite a killer around here in the mountains. But who said we're limited to self defense against only one peril. A comprehensive plan and equipment that covers those perils that one judges to be in need of consideration is always best. A handgun (or rifle) has many uses in a survival situation beyond bears. It's a very flexible tool that's good for putting down all sorts of varmints one might encounter in the woods.

How many dogs attack runners every year?

Around me it's at best one attack attempt per dog.

Come on, you're a groundstander, not a runner.

How many runners injure themselves every year?*

What does that have to do with anything at all. You're allowed to take any risk you like. The point here is that you also are allowed to mitigate those potential risks by proper preparation and planning. You can not run if you are worried about it, or you can carry a gun if you think you might be attacked by a dog, or a bear, or a lion, or a snake or some other varmint.

I do.

But you're an obsessive insurance-poor jingoistic control freak. Do you even run?

[laklak]

I had the runs last week. I blame the beer and tamales. I was a bit, well, enthusiastic with the habaneros.

[Seth]

Black bear attack reported near Columbia Falls Jul 03 2014

Wildlife officials are investigating a black bear attack on a woman running with her dogs Thursday morning. It happened on Forest Service property in the Cedar Flats area north of Columbia Falls.

Initial reports say the bear attacked the dogs and then attacked the runner, before leaving the scene.

27 fatal black bear attacks in the 2000s=2.7/y on 350 million people=<1/1000000. You may as well go into the Colorado woods with lightning protection as "bear protection".

Well, yeah. Lightning is quite a killer around here in the mountains. But who said we're limited to self defense against only one peril. A comprehensive plan and equipment that covers those perils that one judges to be in need of consideration is always best. A handgun (or rifle) has many uses in a survival situation beyond bears. It's a very flexible tool that's good for putting down all sorts of varmints one might encounter in the woods.

How many dogs attack runners every year?

Around me it's at best one attack attempt per dog.

Come on, you're a groundstander, not a runner.

What's your point?

How many runners injure themselves every year?*

What does that have to do with anything at all. You're allowed to take any risk you like. The point here is that you also are allowed to mitigate those potential risks by proper preparation and planning. You can not run if you are worried about it, or you can carry a gun if you think you might be attacked by a dog, or a bear, or a lion, or a snake or some other varmint.

I do.

But you're an obsessive insurance-poor jingoistic control freak. Do you even run?

Does it matter? What makes runners so special?

[Seth]

Fourth of July weekend toll: 82 shot, 14 of them fatally, and that's just in Chicago. What do we make of this? Not enough guns. Obviously. Australia seems to have an almost sufficient amount to prevent this sort of thing. Go, Australia.

Care to venture a guess at how many of those shootings were committed with legally-owned firearms by non-criminal, law-abiding owners using their firearms for necessary self-defense and how many were committed by criminals illegally in possession of firearms doing something highly illegal with them?

Given the fact that Chicago has very strict anti-gun laws, it's interesting to note that in every major city where guns are NOT outlawed the number of holiday shootings was...well...less than in Chicago. Why do you suppose that is?

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

[Hermit]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When guns are easily available outlaws find it easy to get their hands on guns. So do minors. Two people were killed by the police because they had handguns and did not drop them. One of them was 14, the other 16. Makes me wonder how difficult it is to illegally obtain a gun in a nation that's awash with firearms and fuckall controls. Chicago might have what you laughingly call "very strict anti-gun laws", but there are no city walls or border controls when you enter, are there? Who would stop me from "importing" a bootload of Shoot & Wastems?

[Seth]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When guns are easily available outlaws find it easy to get their hands on guns.

Where guns are outlawed, outlaws have no particular difficulty in finding them anyway. Viz: Boko Haram and Chicago's South Side.

So do minors.

"Teach your children well, their father's hell did slowly go by."

Two people were killed by the police because they had handguns and did not drop them. One of them was 14, the other 16.

Lesson one: When the police tell you to drop the gun, drop the gun.

Makes me wonder how difficult it is to illegally obtain a gun in a nation that's awash with firearms and fuckall controls.

Guns are the single most heavily regulated consumer product in the US.

Chicago might have what you laughingly call "very strict anti-gun laws", but there are no city walls or border controls when you enter, are there? Who would stop me from "importing" a bootload of Shoot & Wastems?

Freedom can be a salty bitch sometimes.

When the number of guns ubiquitously carried by law abiding citizens outnumbers the number of guns in the hands of criminals by 100 or more to 1, the risk that a criminal will carry or use a gun is substantially diminished, as our 20+ year experiment with concealed carry has amply proven.

Every sane place in America: More guns, less crime.

Chicago: Fewer guns, more crime.

QED.

[piscator]

Fourth of July weekend toll: 82 shot, 14 of them fatally, and that's just in Chicago. What do we make of this? Not enough guns. Obviously. Australia seems to have an almost sufficient amount to prevent this sort of thing. Go, Australia.

Care to venture a guess at how many of those shootings were committed with legally-owned firearms by non-criminal, law-abiding owners using their firearms for necessary self-defense and how many were committed by criminals illegally in possession of firearms doing something highly illegal with them?

Are you counting the killings the cops committed too? Because, you have to start with a number, and you may want to load that number to boost defensive killings in your favor for rhetorical reasons.

Given the fact that Chicago has very strict anti-gun laws, it's interesting to note that in every major city where guns are NOT outlawed the number of holiday shootings was...well...less than in Chicago. Why do you suppose that is?

Ummm...Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy?

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.

[Gallstones]

Court orders Chicago to pay NRA’s legal fees July 7, 2014

A federal court is ordering the city of Chicago to pay the National Rifle Association nearly $1 million in legal fees.

The NRA had challenged a Chicago law banning gun sales within the city limits that a federal court ruled unconstitutional in January.

Chicago also paid the NRA $600,000 in legal fees following the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 2010 ruling that the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms applies to the states.

[Seth]

Fourth of July weekend toll: 82 shot, 14 of them fatally, and that's just in Chicago. What do we make of this? Not enough guns. Obviously. Australia seems to have an almost sufficient amount to prevent this sort of thing. Go, Australia.

Care to venture a guess at how many of those shootings were committed with legally-owned firearms by non-criminal, law-abiding owners using their firearms for necessary self-defense and how many were committed by criminals illegally in possession of firearms doing something highly illegal with them?

Are you counting the killings the cops committed too? Because, you have to start with a number, and you may want to load that number to boost defensive killings in your favor for rhetorical reasons.

Sure, why not?

Given the fact that Chicago has very strict anti-gun laws, it's interesting to note that in every major city where guns are NOT outlawed the number of holiday shootings was...well...less than in Chicago. Why do you suppose that is?

Ummm...Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy?

And what is that "fallacy" exactly?

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.

Precisely.

Now you just have to explain why outlaws should have dildos and ordinary law-abiding citizens should not.

[Hermit]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When guns are easily available outlaws find it easy to get their hands on guns.

Where guns are outlawed, outlaws have no particular difficulty in finding them anyway. Viz: Boko Haram and Chicago's South Side.

Like I said, there are no border controls around Chicago, so it is is easy to "import" guns from "shall issue" states, and with almost as many privately owned firearms approaching parity with the US population it's not difficult to obtain one by hook or by crook from anywhere else.

Two people were killed by the police because they had handguns and did not drop them. One of them was 14, the other 16.

Lesson one: When the police tell you to drop the gun, drop the gun.

Way to evade the point. It's not that the juveniles were reacting in a stupid manner. The point is that they were killed by the police because they had sidearms in the first place. Two of them were killed in an American city with a population of 2.7 million in a space of three days. I can't find one such occurrence in all of Australia, population 20 million, I cannot find a single instance of that sort of thing happening during the past five years.

Makes me wonder how difficult it is to illegally obtain a gun in a nation that's awash with firearms and fuckall controls.

Guns are the single most heavily regulated consumer product in the US.

Like I said: "...what you laughingly call "very strict anti-gun laws."" 41 US states have a "shall-issue" policy in regard to concealed-carry firearm permits. I suppose you can call that "regulation" of sorts.

Fewer guns, more crime.

That is not the experience in Australia. Starting in 1996 over 600,000 legally owned firearms were taken out of circulation in under a year, leaving 330,000 in private ownership. If fewer privately owned guns meant more crime, such a drastic measure would be expected to be reflected in an equally drastic spike in violent crime in the following twelve months. There is none at all.

[piscator]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.

When dildos are outlawed, only outlaws will have dildos, perforce.

Precisely.

Now you just have to explain why outlaws should have dildos and ordinary law-abiding citizens should not.

Non sequitur. The act of having the dildo makes one an outlaw, ipso facto. Why should you care why your neighbor became an outlaw, if it doesn't pick your pocket?

Why should you care if your neighbor is an outlaw and has a gun, as long as he doesn't shoot you with it?

[Gallstones]

Chinese Man Guns Down Chinese Woman…in Tokyo......you know, Japan Jul 7, 2014

a Chinese man appears to be the perpetrator and a Chinese woman the victim . . .

The pair reportedly started to quarrel after entering the cafe together. At around 10:40 p.m., the man produced a handgun from his bag, stood up and shot the woman twice, in the jaw and the chest. She was rushed to a hospital but was pronounced dead.

The Ikebukuro district of Tokyo also has a reputation for gang activities and has a relatively high proportion of gambling and sex businesses.

In Japan, only the police and criminals have handguns. Apparrently.

[LucidFlight]

Woah. You don't often hear about homicides in Japan involving firearms. Very interesting. Thanks, for posting the article link, Gallstones.

[piscator]

I can hear a whole country tsktsktsking at the peasant Chinese pimp...

[LucidFlight]

Interesting that it was a Chinese man involved. The Chinese, of course, invented gunpowder... and the hand cannon.



[Note: the man in the above video is not known to be Chinese.]