Falling into Place?

[JimC]

And all this time I thought it was a Jewish school...

Oi vey!

[mistermack]

Thoughts?

Res...

My thoughts are that that letter is an obvious hoax.
Can't be assed to check it out, it's so bad.

When there are millions of books to choose from, why on earth would anyone bother with that?

[Jason]

Chemtrails. How do they work?

[RESiNATE]

I am ashamed.

I set this discussion and promptly vanished. I can't even remember why I vanished, but I did.

My deepest apologies

Don't get me wrong; I'm not the kind of person to read one thing without searching out or thinking about all the angles (at least, those which I can think of) - I don't believe everything I read or see with out consideration.

I love conspiracy theories...especially those that 'hold water' to some degree.
Chem-trails are a fact, but what they are spraying is up for debate and I don't claim to have a definitive answer.
The 911 'attacks' were (without doubt, in my mind) staged...and a second event of equal or bigger scale is imminent.
The 'New World Order' objective is in motion and is apparent if you look closely enough.

I have read countless articles, viewed hundreds of videos, and can see for myself how certain aspects of our lives are being controlled and manipulated toward an end game in which our freedoms will be abolished. A dystopian society is fast approaching.

Robert_S, I will read Robert Anton Wilson (a name that I have encountered in my 'travels', but had not yet researched) - thank you for the nudge.

I try to discuss this with people around me, but I fear that they are too indoctrinated into the 'system' (or lack the capacity) to have any kind of decent debate with. I am met with looks of derision or disbelief from them, and I quickly decide that I am wasting my time with them. Funnily enough, they are the same kind of people that laughed at me many months ago when I warned them of the coming reignition of Iraq and Syria. Go figure

Mind you, I will admit that I was wrong about ISON

What? No mention of the Bermuda Triangle? And what about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Not meaning to insult you, RESiNATE, but I've read enough about chemtrails and talked enough with people who think there's something in it to immediately switch off at your mention of them.

Why do you switch off Hermit - have you uncovered something that we don't know about? Please share.

To skip between thoughts momentarily - Hermit, you must understand that, whether you subscribe to the idea of a Zionist belief system or not, quite a lot of people do...and that's when things get dangerous - we only have to regard religion to recognise that fact. To disregard the idea out-of-hand (which, forgive me, you seem to be saying), is to be blind to the workings of politics and the world-view. You cannot deny that the banking system is operating in exactly the way that was proposed by the so-called 'Elders of Zion', or that the music industry (and many others) is designed to subliminally subvert and corrupt, or that religion is a tool of subservience and control.

You have NOT insulted me, by-the-way, I just want to understand your viewpoint in more detail. Maybe I can offer you a more constructive debate than you might have previously encountered lol

I've just noticed the time so will have to leave it there for now but, like a wise politician once said: "I'll be back"

(lol)

Res...

[Hermit]

Why do you switch off Hermit - have you uncovered something that we don't know about?

In a nutshell, I have wearied of discussing conspiracies with their various proponents. It's not, of course, as if no conspiracies exist, but some of the proposed ones are to me so out there, I wonder about their believers' state of mind.

Also, I've noticed that people who seriously entertain the most ridiculous notion, tend to believe in whole clusters of them. Believers in UFOs also tend to believe in the healing power of pyramids or crystals, the Zone 51 conspiracy and so forth. I had an offsider once who pointed at the vapour trail an aeroplane left behind and explained to me that it was a precipitant that will gradually render all humans in Australia infertile. I laughed and said something like "I suppose you'll tell me about mermaids next." Without missing a beat he replied: Yes. The Japanese fishermen found one. And they ate it." In the hour it took us to our delivery point, he told me about several other weird and wonderful things along those lines that he knew were true.

This sort of thing suggests to me that some people have a pathological need to believe things for which no empirical evidence exists. It is therefore entirely futile to argue along rational lines. A shrink might have a better chance of doing some good. So, no, I no longer engage in prolonged discussions with truthers, new agers, antizionists and so forth.

[Seth]

The new plan: containment. Fences, barb wire, machine guns.

Around all the churches and mosques!

Sure. It's always a balance of guns, but if you are on the inside, you eventually run out of ammunition.

True. The trick is to run out of ammunition AFTER you've managed to eliminate all your enemies.

[cronus]

There is a conspiracy. Goats. Men in high places having sex with goats and making a pact with the Devil in the process. It is only possible because of the goats. If we killed all the goats in a global cull WW3 would be averted. All goats must die so that we can live. So when you see them high altitude crop sprayers masquerading as passenger jets recall who/what is at the controls? Goats, goats and more goats. They must be stopped.

[rainbow]

Res, it certainly is a mess out there, and it may be that a hard rain's gonna fall, but I don't think we need conspiracy reasons to explain why good ol' homo sap keeps fucking things up...

Yep. First rule of conspiracies: It does NOT require a conspiracy to fuck things up!

As me ol' da used to say:
"There be much more stupid people in the world than evil ones"

[mistermack]

Res, it certainly is a mess out there, and it may be that a hard rain's gonna fall, but I don't think we need conspiracy reasons to explain why good ol' homo sap keeps fucking things up...

Yep. First rule of conspiracies: It does NOT require a conspiracy to fuck things up!

As me ol' da used to say:
"There be much more stupid people in the world than evil ones"

That's why conspiracies work. People are gullible.

[pErvinalia]

Resinate, meet Galaxian...

[Animavore]

Just about every conspiracy theory ever can be debunked by following the simple logic that they usually involve far, far too many people for them to be plausible. Each person added to the equation is a potential whistle-blower, informant or undercover investigator. I'm not even sure how you go about asking people to join your conspiracy, "Pssst! Yeah, you. We need a pilot to help take down The World Trade Centre and attack our own people. You want in?" There's no way you can know who you can safely ask and who is going to report you straight away.

[rainbow]

Res, it certainly is a mess out there, and it may be that a hard rain's gonna fall, but I don't think we need conspiracy reasons to explain why good ol' homo sap keeps fucking things up...

Yep. First rule of conspiracies: It does NOT require a conspiracy to fuck things up!

As me ol' da used to say:
"There be much more stupid people in the world than evil ones"

That's why conspiracies work. People are gullible.

...and Fox News.

I miss it so, it always cheered me up with their depan parodies of right-wing thinking.

[Galaxian]

Just about every conspiracy theory ever can be debunked by following the simple logic that they usually involve far, far too many people for them to be plausible. Each person added to the equation is a potential whistle-blower, informant or undercover investigator. I'm not even sure how you go about asking people to join your conspiracy, "Pssst! Yeah, you. We need a pilot to help take down The World Trade Centre and attack our own people. You want in?" There's no way you can know who you can safely ask and who is going to report you straight away.

So that's why the evil Manhattan Project with over 30,000 participants was never a secret!

[Animavore]

Just about every conspiracy theory ever can be debunked by following the simple logic that they usually involve far, far too many people for them to be plausible. Each person added to the equation is a potential whistle-blower, informant or undercover investigator. I'm not even sure how you go about asking people to join your conspiracy, "Pssst! Yeah, you. We need a pilot to help take down The World Trade Centre and attack our own people. You want in?" There's no way you can know who you can safely ask and who is going to report you straight away.

So that's why the evil Manhattan Project with over 30,000 participants was never a secret!

I don't remember the Manhattan Project being a conspiracy.

FAIL.

[Seth]

Just about every conspiracy theory ever can be debunked by following the simple logic that they usually involve far, far too many people for them to be plausible. Each person added to the equation is a potential whistle-blower, informant or undercover investigator. I'm not even sure how you go about asking people to join your conspiracy, "Pssst! Yeah, you. We need a pilot to help take down The World Trade Centre and attack our own people. You want in?" There's no way you can know who you can safely ask and who is going to report you straight away.

So that's why the evil Manhattan Project with over 30,000 participants was never a secret!

I don't remember the Manhattan Project being a conspiracy.

FAIL.

Depends on which end of the bomb you were on I guess. I think the Japs certainly considered it a conspiracy...the krauts too probably.