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Guns and black people

Post by rainbow » Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:54 am

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Re: Guns and black people

Post by FBM » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:01 am

On the other hand:

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Post by JimC » Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:42 am

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Re: Guns and black people

Post by rainbow » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:43 am

JimC wrote:Should I mention the film "Zulu"?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:31 am

FBM wrote:On the other hand:

As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by FBM » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:03 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:On the other hand:

As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
It would be weird for me to carry on my hip. I had a concealed carry permit. Of course, I grew up riding around in pickups with shotguns and rifles in the obligatory rifle rack. :FBM:
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Post by Seabass » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:00 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:On the other hand:

As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
If you can believe it, it's utterly alien to me too. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see in the south, but not in California. Hell, I'm forty, I've lived in three major American cities, and I've never even seen a gun in person, apart from the ones carried by po-po. If I saw that guy on the street I'd probably freak out and either sucker-punch him, knock him out, and call the cops, or run in the other direction and call the cops...
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by FBM » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:08 am

Seabass wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:On the other hand:

[youtub]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HVaZ03Xaoo[/youtube]
As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
If you can believe it, it's utterly alien to me too. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see in the south, but not in California. Hell, I'm forty, I've lived in three major American cities, and I've never even seen a gun in person, apart from the ones carried by po-po. If I saw that guy on the street I'd probably freak out and either sucker-punch him, knock him out, and call the cops, or run in the other direction and call the cops...
And then...go to jail for assault... :think: Knowing that his behavior is legal, why would you react like that if he wasn't threatening you?
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:12 am

FBM wrote:
Seabass wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:On the other hand:

[youtub]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HVaZ03Xaoo[/youtube]
As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
If you can believe it, it's utterly alien to me too. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see in the south, but not in California. Hell, I'm forty, I've lived in three major American cities, and I've never even seen a gun in person, apart from the ones carried by po-po. If I saw that guy on the street I'd probably freak out and either sucker-punch him, knock him out, and call the cops, or run in the other direction and call the cops...
And then...go to jail for assault... :think: Knowing that his behavior is legal, why would you react like that if he wasn't threatening you?
Exactly. And what if you got it wrong? You'd end up shot and probably dead.

I've only ever seen handguns on po po and at a shooting range. Seen plenty of rifles in the country, and grew up with a .22 in my dad's wardrobe that I used to fool around with when he wasn't home... :o Luckily he taught me about the seriousness of gun safety and I was a smart enough kid to know he was right.
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by Seabass » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:19 am

FBM wrote:
Seabass wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:On the other hand:

[youtub]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HVaZ03Xaoo[/youtube]
As an Australian, that is utterly bizarre to watch. Not anything to do with colour, but just casually wandering around in nice neighbourhoods with a gun and ammo strapped to you. It's just utterly alien.
If you can believe it, it's utterly alien to me too. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see in the south, but not in California. Hell, I'm forty, I've lived in three major American cities, and I've never even seen a gun in person, apart from the ones carried by po-po. If I saw that guy on the street I'd probably freak out and either sucker-punch him, knock him out, and call the cops, or run in the other direction and call the cops...
And then...go to jail for assault... :think: Knowing that his behavior is legal, why would you react like that if he wasn't threatening you?
Well I was mostly being tongue in cheek in that last sentence, but if we're being serious, if I'm out shopping for groceries and I see a guy walking around with a gun on his hip, I'd be a bit nervous. Like I said, this sort of thing isn't a common sight on the west coast where I've always lived.
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by FBM » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:22 am

Well, news flash for non-Americans: Many of the people you see in public have concealed carry permits and are carrying their weapons perfectly peacefully on them almost every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the practice, just stating the reality of the US.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:24 am

FBM wrote:Well, news flash for non-Americans: Many of the people you see in public have concealed carry permits and are carrying their weapons perfectly peacefully on them almost every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the practice, just stating the reality of the US.
but actually seeing a weapon of death on someone's hip is a lot more real than the tiny possibility that someone is conceal carrying.
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by JimC » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:25 am

FBM wrote:Well, news flash for non-Americans: Many of the people you see in public have concealed carry permits and are carrying their weapons perfectly peacefully on them almost every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the practice, just stating the reality of the US.
But it is such an alien perspective to most of the rest of the developed world. And I sometimes wonder how little Americans realise how weird the whole gun thing is seen, from the outside...
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Re: Guns and black people

Post by FBM » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:30 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
FBM wrote:Well, news flash for non-Americans: Many of the people you see in public have concealed carry permits and are carrying their weapons perfectly peacefully on them almost every day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the practice, just stating the reality of the US.
but actually seeing a weapon of death on someone's hip is a lot more real than the tiny possibility that someone is conceal carrying.
It's not a tiny possibility anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_ ... _Carry.png
JimC wrote:But it is such an alien perspective to most of the rest of the developed world. And I sometimes wonder how little Americans realise how weird the whole gun thing is seen, from the outside...
That's just it. They don't. When you grow up in a certain culture, you don't see that culture as weird. Do you think it's weird to be an Aussie Rules Football or cricket fan? But if an American in America were to be a fan of either of those sports, people would think he was some kinda freak.
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