Research shows kids less safe in gun-free schools

[Seth]

Crime
Meet the Army Veteran Who Could Once and for All Destroy One of the Left’s Key Gun Control Arguments
Apr. 26, 2014 10:45am Jason Howerton

INDIANAPOLIS — Eric Dietz, Ph.D., the former director of Homeland Security for the state of Indiana and 22-year Army veteran, says he is only interested in one thing when it comes to the debate over stationing armed personnel and teachers in America’s schools: saving lives.
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Eric Dietz. Credit: Purdue Homeland Security Institute

Now a professor at Purdue University and director of the school’s Homeland Security Institute, Dietz could be the guy who — once and for all — destroys the left’s argument against putting more guns in schools. And it’s all based on numbers and facts.

That research? More guns in schools equal fewer deaths during active shooter situations.

At the 2014 National Rifle Association convention in Indianapolis on Friday, Dietz told TheBlaze that he set out to determine what realistic measures could be taken to reduce deaths during school shootings. Using an “agent-based modeling” method that he says is as straight forward as it gets, Dietz and the university were able to conclude that the “introduction of a minimal (10%) armed faculty in conjunction with [a] resource officer” could reduce overall casualties in school-related shootings by roughly 70 percent.

Since the 1950s, all but two mass shootings have occurred in locations where victims were restricted from carrying weapons for self-defense, his work says. This stunning statistic led the university to question the effectiveness of so-called “gun free zones.”

The methodology of the research is fairly simple and rooted in common sense, Dietz claims. It takes into account four separate scenarios involving an active shooter:

• Scenario 1: No access to control or security.
• Scenario 2: Resource officer
• Scenario 3: 5-10 percent of work force has concealed carry
• Scenario 4: 5-10 percent of work force has concealed carry and a resource officer

In scenario one, potential victims of a school shooting must rely only on police. On average, police response time is roughly 10-12 minutes. Accordingly, an “active shooter” generally shoots someone every 20 seconds, Dietz explained, citing his research.

“That’s a really long time for a killer,” he told TheBlaze.

The research found that the most critical element to reducing casualties in an active shooter situation at a school is “time,” Dietz said. Obviously, the less time a shooter has to carry out his twisted plan, the less people the shooter can kill.

The model created by Dietz and his students seemingly reveals a clear trend: More guns equals fewer casualties in an active shooter situation.

“The issue of school shootings is obviously a very emotional debate,” he said. “What we are trying to do is take the emotion out of the debate and figure out how we can save the most lives and educate the policy makers, as well as parents and citizens.

In the scenario where there is an armed resource officer, casualties dropped by 66.5 percent and response time was cut 59.5 percent. When five percent of teachers were carrying concealed weapons, deaths were reduced by 6.8 percent and response time dropped by 5.4 percent. When 10 percent of teachers were carrying concealed weapons, casualties fell by 23.2 percent and response time went down 16.8 percent.

However, the real reductions came when teachers carrying concealed firearms were supplemented with a resource officer, the results show.

In the scenario where five percent of teachers were carrying concealed guns and a resource officer was present, casualties dropped an astonishing 69.2 percent and response time dropped 59.7 percent. Finally, when 10 percent of teachers were carrying concealed firearms and a resource officer was present, casualties fell by 70.2 percent and response time was reduced by 62.7 percent.
Source: Purdue University

Source: Purdue University

The National Center for Education Statistics estimates that 57 percent of public schools in the U.S. had no security staff present at any time during the school week in 2009-2010.

To the critics who say more guns always translate into more crime, the Purdue research notes that there has been an increase in firearms ownership by 61 percent between 2004-2012 — yet there has been a reduction in violence crime by 12.9 percent since 2008.

Dietz says there is more research to be done on the issue, including instances where there is no active shooter, to determine if there is a significant risk to having guns present at schools on a daily basis.

[cronus]

Guns scare the manipulative kiddy fiddlers away Seth. There may be some operating even with guns around though. Need to see how far the rot as gone by rounding up some teachers that way and see what they've been teaching whilst America's best have had their backs turned away from the homefront.

[Seth]

Guns scare the manipulative kiddy fiddlers away Seth.

Which means that we should lose ten to twenty percent of the teaching staff in every school immediately, since they are the biggest "kiddy fiddler" threat that exists today...far, far greater than Catholic priests or random pervs wagging their weenies at teenagers. Schoolteachers are in my opinion the majority of sex offenders in the US and probably elsewhere, and it's amazing how many women are now (finally) getting arrested for fucking their students. Too bad they still don't have anywhere near sentencing parity with the male molesters.

There may be some operating even with guns around though. Need to see how far the rot as gone by rounding up some teachers that way and see what they've been teaching whilst America's best have had their backs turned away from the homefront.

There's no need to round them up, it's patently obvious what they've been teaching: Marxist Progressivism.

[JimC]

Ask the same question in the civilised world, and you'll get a very different answer...

Mostly because they're all gun-free schools...

[Hermit]

Ask the same question in the civilised world, and you'll get a very different answer...

Indeed. I wonder how a study like Dietz's "demolition of one of the left's key gun control arguments once and for all" would fare given the readily available statistics in Australia. Here they are: Massacres in schools: 0. Percentage of teachers carrying concealed weapons: 0.

[JimC]

Ask the same question in the civilised world, and you'll get a very different answer...

Indeed. I wonder how a study like Dietz's "demolition of one of the left's key gun control arguments once and for all" would fare given the readily available statistics in Australia. Here they are: Massacres in schools: 0. Percentage of teachers carrying concealed weapons: 0.

They haven't yet searched me...

[Hermit]

Ask the same question in the civilised world, and you'll get a very different answer...

Indeed. I wonder how a study like Dietz's "demolition of one of the left's key gun control arguments once and for all" would fare given the readily available statistics in Australia. Here they are: Massacres in schools: 0. Percentage of teachers carrying concealed weapons: 0.

They haven't yet searched me...

Can't you fucking read? I said gun, not gin.

[JimC]

Ask the same question in the civilised world, and you'll get a very different answer...

Indeed. I wonder how a study like Dietz's "demolition of one of the left's key gun control arguments once and for all" would fare given the readily available statistics in Australia. Here they are: Massacres in schools: 0. Percentage of teachers carrying concealed weapons: 0.

They haven't yet searched me...

Can't you fucking read? I said gun, not gin.

I demand a full strip search by a policewoman who looks like Jennifer Hawkins!

She'll find something...

[LucidFlight]

That research? More guns in schools equal fewer deaths during active shooter situations.

I'm not really an expert on such matters, but I'm guessing that a school isn't technically a gun-free environment when there is an active shooter on its premises.

My personal experience is that the gun-free schools I went to were quite safe due to their lack of active shooter situations. Admittedly, most of my schooling took place in countries where guns are less prevalent in society.

That said, I do understand that this research is quite useful for educators, children, and security personnel in countries more prone to having active shooter situations on their school campuses.

[Citizensmith]

Well that model would explain why there has never been any shooting deaths at military bases.
Oh wait.

[cronus]

Arm the smartest kids vetted via a ordinary IQ test. Natural inclination for the smartest kids to look after the most vulnerable who are likely to be prey to child-rapist teachers.

[FBM]

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That said, I do understand that this research is quite useful for educators, children, and security personnel in countries more prone to having active shooter situations on their school campuses.

Yep. It's not wise to ignore context.

Arm the smartest kids vetted via a ordinary IQ test. Natural inclination for the smartest kids to look after the most vulnerable who are likely to be prey to child-rapist teachers.

Somebody will be along shortly to talk about how soldiers are disarmed while on base. I've never been military, so I'm not qualified.

[LucidFlight]

Well that model would explain why there has never been any shooting deaths at military bases.
Oh wait.

Actually, if the research is correct, one could argue that a military base is perhaps the safest place to educate kids.

[Seth]

That research? More guns in schools equal fewer deaths during active shooter situations.

I'm not really an expert on such matters, but I'm guessing that a school isn't technically a gun-free environment when there is an active shooter on its premises.

My personal experience is that the gun-free schools I went to were quite safe due to their lack of active shooter situations. Admittedly, most of my schooling took place in countries where guns are less prevalent in society.

That said, I do understand that this research is quite useful for educators, children, and security personnel in countries more prone to having active shooter situations on their school campuses.

Um, should we consider that leftist conclave on an island in Norway a "school?" I think it qualifies since it was a Marxist educational activity. How did it work out for those folks being all unarmed and everything?

Not so well.

The point, since I know most of you will miss it completely, is that violence by deranged people is impossible to predict, and therefore everyone, everywhere is in danger of being a victim of random (or carefully planned) violence (including terrorism), which means that everyone has a right to arm themselves against those threats if they choose to do so, and it is immoral for government to disarm law-abiding citizens when there exists any threat of any kind against them that such arms would be useful, or even potentially useful in preventing or ending.

A couple of Marxist educators with AK's on that island could have reduced the death toll quit a bit don't you think?

Che would be ashamed that nobody was smart enough to carry a gun...something he did rather habitually...along with using it to kill whomever annoyed him. Pity no one else had a gun with which to remove him from the face of the earth...oh, wait, somebody did.

[Seth]

Well that model would explain why there has never been any shooting deaths at military bases.
Oh wait.

Actually, if the research is correct, one could argue that a military base is perhaps the safest place to educate kids.

Not really, at least here in the US, because since the Clinton administration soldiers (not even officers) have been allowed to carry personal firearms on base, which is why they get shot up with some regularity.