Vigilante

[SnowLeopard]

Yes it is. And since I have guns and you do not, I have the capacity to enforce and defend that human right, whereas you do not. You lose, loser.

No, It's not a human right.

Yes, it is, loser.

Nope. Provide evidence that it is.

Come try to take my firearms away and I'll be glad to prove it to you

No.. that proves shit all, as I said. If you try to take my phone away from me I'll stab you in the neck, that doesn't make my phone a human right. Does little Sefthy understandywandy dis? Or should I get the crayons out to try and bring it down to your level.

So yeah see as I said before, are you able to make an argument without threatening to kill someone or is empty keyboard pecking threats mimicking a 12 year old on an xBox all you're good for?

How about backing it up with something like...... I dunno..... facts, that its an actual human right, rather than a bullshit unsubstantiated opinion that fell out of your arsehole. Are you capable of doing that? Maybe? no?? Yeah I thought not sadly. Why not?? Ooooh cus it's horse shit yeah of course.

IT IS BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!!!!

Is not an argument dear. Mummy should have told you that.

Currently you come across as a rather hilariously pathetic mix between Cartman and Kim Jong il on Team America.

In fact I can actually completely imagine you trying to tell us you have an underground pool full of sharks.

Because unjust and immoral authority is capable of perpetrating injustice and gross violation of human rights doesn't make it either legal or moral, nor does the wish to do so make the human right involved cease to exist.

If the alleged human right of owning a gun happened to exist in the first place you might have a point. As it only exists as a figment of your tiny yet over active imagination, you have no point.

FYI you being punished for acting upon your desire to kill someone is not a gross violation of your human rights and it would most defiantly be legal and moral.

Do you live in a state that still has the death penalty btw? If you don't, may I suggest you move to one. No particular reason, just, you know, being prepared n' all that.

Yes, you do, but only if you can. You might, but I doubt it, I have better situational awareness than to allow drooling fuckwit sheeple to get within 30 feet of me with any sort of weapon, much less an axe. Feel free to stop by anytime and test out my situational awareness and self defense capabilities. Make sure you're will is current and your life insurance is paid up.

Aw but you see we've already discussed how you're actually the sheeple, by being a gutless coward and living in a country whose system you don't agree with. Whereas I'm not a sheeple because I do agree with the system that you despise so much.

Nah but you don't have situational awareness though. Remember as I said it's been decided everything you say is a lie. Lets say for this conversation you're a garbage man. Therefore it will be no problem to casually walk up behind you while you're walking down the street or paying for your shopping and nut you in the back of the head with a hatchet. So yeah. Fat lot of shit your defense capabilities did there. Not that you have any, being a garbage man. Coming home to peck away at your keyboard in a one bedroomed hovel after a hard day of picking used condoms out of your hair...

I think for the next post I'll make you a hair stylist named Raoul.

You've got it backwards, dunce. I have a human right to own a gun whether or not I actually own one. So, perhaps unfortunately, do you.

Except you don't. Because it's not a human right.

SOEMONE HAS INVENTED THIS THING THEREFORE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN IT!

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................... no. Not in this reality.

You would be an expert in identifying shit for brains based on your intimate relationship with the shit that passes for your brains if it weren't for the shit that passes for your brains, shithead.

So meta.

You keep saying so, from the safety of mommy's basement in Scotland. Meanwhile I perambulate freely in a free society that acknowledges and protect my basic human right to armed self defense.

Meanwhile I amble around freely in a free society that acknowledges just because you think something doesn't make it a fact.

You live in a society that gives you the "ability" to own a weapon for self defense. You may choose items from a list of weapons that they have decided you are allowed to own. That's not acknowledging anything. It's especially not acknowledging what the voices in your head come up with.

Armed self defense is not a basic, global, universal human right. If it is. Get the fuck on with proving it. Show me the runes carved by mother nature herself that state "Seth can have a gun" Until you do that, shut the fuck up about it because your nonsensical drivel is not worth reading unless you can back it up with something that isn't your cunted little unproven opinion?

Guns don't get pointed unless and until you richly deserve to have one pointed at you, which takes place less than half a second before the muzzle flash, which is the last thing you ever see.

And? Point? Bluster? Hard man tough nut act is meant to impress whom exactly? Surely you don't expect it to impress me?

Come up with something that isn't pathetic. Like I said, you may think in your tiny head you sound like Rambo, you actually sound like a whiny dictator cunt. So.. I'd try to fix that if I were you otherwise the other liberturd community will laugh at you.

And the other guys on your garbage truck.

And yet you sit in your underwear in mommy's basement depending for your life and safety on other people who are willing to take up arms in your defense. Now THAT'S the very definition of a coward.

I actually forbid you from fantasizing about me in my underwear, you fuckin freak. No end to the things you sickos wont get off on.

mmm nope I don't think that IS the very definition of a coward actually.

Also. mmm nope. Not depending on anyone taking up arms because there is nothing we need defending from.

It's a good thing I guess that you don't get to live here, because you don't deserve to live here, and you don't even deserve to have someone else, like the police and military that wipe your shitty ass, put themselves at risk to pander to your cowardice.

Why don't I "get" to live there? I can get to live there if I want. I might decide to move in next door to you and yell Seth is a cunt through a megaphone 24/7. As I've explained to you in the past that's the beauty of a passport. However there is no force in this world or the next that would make me want to live in your backwards inbred country.

Why would I want to go from somewhere that has liberty and freedom, to living in your mentally diseased paranoia riddled hell hole.

Also I like Kinder Eggs. And I don't fancy living in a country where my over lords say I can't eat them. Like yours do.

Ask the Jews circa 1936 how ignoring the inherent corruption of government and surrendering their arms on request worked out for them...

I'd also ask them how good an idea it was to allow tin pot little fascists with guns to peddle their right wing hate filled agendas. Corruption of government is rather irrelevant when you have fanatic murderous little freaks like the Liberturds trying to take over society and shoot people for not obeying zee rulez.

[SnowLeopard]

Yes it is. If you think it's not, come try to take my guns away.

Nope, it's not.

I don't just think it's not. I know it's not.

As has been explained to you before. You have a set list of privileges granted to you pertaining to the location on the globe you just happened to squirt out of a vagina. A privilege given and a privilege that can be taken away.

Nope. Human rights are universal and inhere to the individual even in the absence of government. Even the fuckwits at the UN understand that.

If it's so universal then show me evidence as to what makes owning a gun a human right. Clearly it shouldn't be that hard for you if it's so universal. Now get on with it boy.

Those who think that government grants something that it cannot by its very nature grant because it does not possess it to begin with are merely well-indoctrinated sheeple.

So you agree your bill of rights and declaration of Independence and constitution are worthless so you might as well just tear them up or give it to Nicholas Cage then.

Only sheeple I see around here are the ones that continue to live under a system they disagree with when they have the choice to leave it. Weird unintelligent liberturdian sheeple.

Government doesn't so much grant it, as it doesn't ban it.

You are clearly not in possession of the evidence that this human right exists in the first place.

Human rights (not including gun ownership because that isn't a human right) but the actual EU convention on human rights etc etc are MADE UP. like the BIBLE. Why are you too fucking dense to understand that. They were MADE UP by humans. They are NOT INHERENT because THERE ARE NO INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHTS given by nature!

YOU'RE NOT OWED ANYTHING YOU ENTITLED TURD.



Those who think owning a gun is a human right are delusional fucking retards.

[SnowLeopard]

I think this image probably sums up quite nicely Seths maximum defiance he is capable of inflicting on the evils gubberment over the course of his life.



Fuck da man! You shure showed him!

Right Seth?!

[Blind groper]

I just saw something on TV that I thought showed correct action, as opposed to the incorrect action Seth stands for.

This was a scene on an American city street. A maniac at the side of the street with a samurai sword. He was yelling threats at people and waving the sword at them. A full SWAT team turned up, armed to the teeth. They took sheltered positions and pointed their guns at ther maniac. He yelled threats and waved his sword at them.

Then came the big surprise. In spite of the fact that these were gun totin' Americans, like Seth, they fired bean bags at the nut case. Many bean bags. That did not stop the sword wielder, so they brought up a water cannon and hosed him to the ground. While down, they brought up a ladder, so they could pin him to the ground while still clear of his sword. When he was helpless, an officer brought hand cuffs, and he was arrested.

Now, if it was Seth, he would have shot the guy dead right at the outset. Yet those professionals showed admirable restraint, and used every other non lethal method they had available, until they ended the threat with no lethal force being used. Good for them.

Seth.

You should take your cue from those experts. Lethal force is rarely needed in self defense, and guns even more rarely. There are alternatives in nearly every situation. If you rely on alternatives, there might be an added 1 in 10,000 risk to you. If you are not prepared to accept an extra 1 in 10,000 risk to avoid killing someone, then you are a coward.

[Collector1337]

Good luck with your tyranny.

[Seth]

Yes it is. If you think it's not, come try to take my guns away.

Nope, it's not.

I don't just think it's not. I know it's not.

As has been explained to you before. You have a set list of privileges granted to you pertaining to the location on the globe you just happened to squirt out of a vagina. A privilege given and a privilege that can be taken away.

Nope. Human rights are universal and inhere to the individual even in the absence of government. Even the fuckwits at the UN understand that.

If it's so universal then show me evidence as to what makes owning a gun a human right. Clearly it shouldn't be that hard for you if it's so universal. Now get on with it boy.

I'll be glad to show you the evidence. It'll be coming your way at about 3000 feet per second so pay close attention...

Those who think that government grants something that it cannot by its very nature grant because it does not possess it to begin with are merely well-indoctrinated sheeple.

So you agree your bill of rights and declaration of Independence and constitution are worthless so you might as well just tear them up or give it to Nicholas Cage then.

You need to read the document and understand what you read before you bloviate. I hold out zero hope that you can accomplish either task.

Only sheeple I see around here are the ones that continue to live under a system they disagree with when they have the choice to leave it. Weird unintelligent liberturdian sheeple.

Did you break all your mirrors? Bad luck, that.

Government doesn't so much grant it, as it doesn't ban it.

The thing about rights is that government cannot ban them. It can try, but that's no guarantee of success because human beings (as opposed to you sheeple) understand that their rights do not come from government nor may they be removed by government, and that government often needs to be forcibly controlled in it's excesses of Marxist zeal. That's why we have the guns, you see.

You are clearly not in possession of the evidence that this human right exists in the first place.

Sure I am. Dozens, nay tens of thousands of pieces of evidence. Would you like some of them...though it shouldn't take more than one to convince you.

Human rights (not including gun ownership because that isn't a human right) but the actual EU convention on human rights etc etc are MADE UP. like the BIBLE. Why are you too fucking dense to understand that. They were MADE UP by humans. They are NOT INHERENT because THERE ARE NO INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHTS given by nature!

You're wrong. Rights exist as a function of nature and our existence and pre-exist and exist independently of government. I'd explain it to you but it would be pointless because you're too stupid to understand the concepts involved.

YOU'RE NOT OWED ANYTHING YOU ENTITLED TURD.

Quite right you enturded title. I'm not owed anything. Neither are you. I wish you communiturds would get that through your thick heads.

I have a right to that which I can find, reduce to my possession and defend against intrusion by others. Guns make that remarkably easy.

Those who think owning a gun is a human right are delusional fucking retards.

“Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.”

― Hilaire Belloc

[JimC]

My scrolling finger is getting very muscular..

[SnowLeopard]

I'll be glad to show you the evidence. It'll be coming your way at about 3000 feet per second so pay close attention...

So yeah see as I said before, are you able to make an argument without threatening to kill someone or is empty keyboard pecking threats mimicking a 12 year old on an xBox all you're good for?

Well SnowLeopard apparently fucking not. He is just as bat shit insane as you suggested.

So your response when asked for evidence to back up your claims erroneous claims is to threaten to shoot someone. Do you have to provide evidence for my argument every step of the way that unhinged lunatics like you shouldn't be allowed weapons?

So try again, again. Evidence. Proof that guns are a human right. Because, as I demonstrated, the ability to own something doesn't make it a human right. I own hundreds of things in my home, iPad, phone, computer, TV, my bow, camera, Kinder Eggs, Legos, etc etc etc etc etc. Just because I can buy them doesn't mean it's a human right. Because there are no human rights unless agreed upon, GRANTED and ENFORCED by our society. It doesn't matter if you think you're granted them by nature, because you're wrong. You have the right to defend yourself with what you're born with. You have zero ingrained "right" what so ever to acquire any weaponry to aid in that matter.

Not proof that you are a deranged gun toting unethical immoral murderous psychopath that thinks attempting to channel the cold dead ghost of Charlton Heston makes him a tough internet pecker when in reality it just makes him look like a faggot. We don't need any more evidence of that.

At this point I'd like to give a big HIYA to the FBI and CNN, in anticipation of future events where they trawl back through Seths internet activity after his final tenuous grip on reality snaps and he actually kills someone. Then everyone realizes that wow, this unpatriotic freak really should have been on a home grown terrorist watch list for his murderous instability.

You need to read the document and understand what you read before you bloviate. I hold out zero hope that you can accomplish either task.

Government doesn't have the ability to grant anything so why do you need bits of paper if government is so powerless?

The thing about rights is that government cannot ban them. It can try, but that's no guarantee of success because human beings (as opposed to you sheeple) understand that their rights do not come from government nor may they be removed by government, and that government often needs to be forcibly controlled in it's excesses of Marxist zeal.

Oh yeah? how you doing with your forcible control of your government? And who are you to decide that Marxist zeal is not the correct direction for a government anyway? huh? If you don't like it, fuck off out the country.

Except it's not why you have the guns, you see, you're a retard, you see. You have the guns because the government allows you donkeys to have the guns, you see. The thing about rights is, that they have to actually exist. As owning a gun is not a human right, your argument is fucking meaningless And you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you see.

That's why we have the guns, you see.

You know what would be awesome? If you're guns mattered or we're useful in any way, except they don't, so it's pointless boasting about them

And, you see, I have the Kinder Eggs, Motherfucker.

Unfortunate for you that Marxist zeal happens to be a lot less totalitarian and genocidal than murderous dictitorial Liberturdian Donkey zeal which is why your shitty little ideology will never leave the confines of your and fellow freaks brains

So bad luck with that.

Sure I am. Dozens, nay tens of thousands of pieces of evidence. Would you like some of them...though it shouldn't take more than one to convince you.

Nope. You being a cowardly murderous faggot is not evidence, try again. So how about you stop trying to channel fellow faggots like Heston and provide some proof, evidence, that this little delusion of guns are a human right is somehow a fact? Care to do that? Or will you just continue your retarded keyboard warrior threats of murder because you realize thats the only option open to you dictatorial faggots to gain power and silence the people that disagree with them.

You're wrong. Rights exist as a function of nature and our existence and pre-exist and exist independently of government. I'd explain it to you but it would be pointless because you're too stupid to understand the concepts involved.

No, you won't explain it because it'll be fucking unsubstantiated bullshit invented by your sorry pathetic little brain.

You're too fucking stupid to understand there are no rights in nature. Something that's so fundamental it's ridiculous that an adult allowed near electricity is unable to fathom it.

If it wasn't horse shit you would be able to display to us an example of a right an animal has granted by mother nature.

That'll be a long fucking wait I expect. I don't expect much of a response other than to threaten to shoot people who present you with questions your shitty little ideology is unable to answer. Fucking coward.

Quite right you enturded title. I'm not owed anything. Neither are you. I wish you communiturds would get that through your thick heads.

I have a right to that which I can find, reduce to my possession and defend against intrusion by others. Guns make that remarkably easy.

Ahh but I am owed something thanks to the wondrous invention of society and civilization!

I'm not owed anything by nature however despite what you fascists would like to think.

Except you can't do that, because you live in a society and a civilization where gun toting little fascist fucks like you are kept under control, or you're punished for not playing nicely like a normal member of the human race that's not a complete fucking sociopath. So your guns are a useless, worthless, limp dicked pointless nonsense when it boils down to the actual reality of your situation.

You fail to realize that you're treated no better than a child, you don't even have the freedom of a sheep, you can only aspire to be a sheep, you're allowed to play with his toys as long as he's a good little boy and does as mummy tells him.

Sucks to be you.

[Blind groper]

Hmmmm

I think snow leopard is getting a bit carried away with the obscenities, but his main point is correct.

Human rights are not innate or 'natural' or given by God. They are simply what is permitted by the powers that be at the time.

If you go back to looking at how medieval England (and every other nation of the time) operated, you will see that life itself, freedom from rape, assault, maiming etc., were not rights at all. Peasants were murdered at will by the knights and aristocrats, with no come back for the peasant's family, or punishment for the murderer. Self defense as a right for the majority of humanity (the serfs and peasants) was a joke. They had no right to defend themselves against those most likely to harm them, meaning the aristocrats.

Over the years since then, humanity has come a long way. We no longer have mass hangings of people who committed trivial crimes. Most western nations (USA is the exception) have given up torture and the death penalty. Duels are illegal. Maimings as punishment are gone (except in Muslim nations). And we now have certain conditions described as 'human rights'.

I am totally, 100% in favour of good human rights. But they are not innate, or natural, or 'god given'. They are artificial constructs. Very desirable artificial constructs, to be sure.

The best list of human rights is that declared by the United Nations. The 'right to bear arms' is most conspicuous by its absence, and exists only as a weirdness of the USA. No other nation, out of the roughly 200 that exist, is stupid enough to erect such a destructive and horrible "human right". Only the USA.

[Seth]

I'll be glad to show you the evidence. It'll be coming your way at about 3000 feet per second so pay close attention...

So yeah see as I said before, are you able to make an argument without threatening to kill someone or is empty keyboard pecking threats mimicking a 12 year old on an xBox all you're good for?

Well SnowLeopard apparently fucking not. He is just as bat shit insane as you suggested.

So your response when asked for evidence to back up your claims erroneous claims is to threaten to shoot someone. Do you have to provide evidence for my argument every step of the way that unhinged lunatics like you shouldn't be allowed weapons?

I never threatened to shoot you, I merely offered to deliver evidence of my right to keep and bear arms at high velocity. I would never threaten to kill someone over a philosophical disagreement. That would be silly and illegal.

So try again, again. Evidence. Proof that guns are a human right. Because, as I demonstrated, the ability to own something doesn't make it a human right. I own hundreds of things in my home, iPad, phone, computer, TV, my bow, camera, Kinder Eggs, Legos, etc etc etc etc etc. Just because I can buy them doesn't mean it's a human right. Because there are no human rights unless agreed upon, GRANTED and ENFORCED by our society. It doesn't matter if you think you're granted them by nature, because you're wrong. You have the right to defend yourself with what you're born with. You have zero ingrained "right" what so ever to acquire any weaponry to aid in that matter.

I have the right to defend myself with anything I can lay hands on. My right exists because I say it exists and I'm both able and willing to vindicate that claim against anyone who wishes to infringe on it. I don't need you or anyone else, including some collective calling itself "government" to issue me permission to defend myself or to gather those tools I require to do so effectively. You may attempt to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms if you like, and you might even farm out the attempt to the collective, but that doesn't mean my right ceases to exist because you challenge it. It just means that more civilized methods of balancing the exercise of rights have failed and we're back to natural law in its most raw and primitive form: survival of the fittest.

I'm fit to survive. You're not.

Not proof that you are a deranged gun toting unethical immoral murderous psychopath that thinks attempting to channel the cold dead ghost of Charlton Heston makes him a tough internet pecker when in reality it just makes him look like a faggot. We don't need any more evidence of that.

Here fishy, fishy, fishy....

At this point I'd like to give a big HIYA to the FBI and CNN, in anticipation of future events where they trawl back through Seths internet activity after his final tenuous grip on reality snaps and he actually kills someone. Then everyone realizes that wow, this unpatriotic freak really should have been on a home grown terrorist watch list for his murderous instability.

Dunno about CNN, but the FBI (and DHS) and I are on good terms. You see, they understand the difference between trolling Scottish nitwits and legitimate threats.

You need to read the document and understand what you read before you bloviate. I hold out zero hope that you can accomplish either task.

Government doesn't have the ability to grant anything so why do you need bits of paper if government is so powerless?

Because government frequently oversteps its authority and oppresses those it's chartered to serve. The bits of paper lay out the boundaries of legitimate government. The arms we keep and bear guarantee that those boundaries can be enforced if necessary.

The thing about rights is that government cannot ban them. It can try, but that's no guarantee of success because human beings (as opposed to you sheeple) understand that their rights do not come from government nor may they be removed by government, and that government often needs to be forcibly controlled in it's excesses of Marxist zeal.

Oh yeah? how you doing with your forcible control of your government? And who are you to decide that Marxist zeal is not the correct direction for a government anyway? huh? If you don't like it, fuck off out the country.

I'd rather fuck Marxists off out of the country thanks.

Except it's not why you have the guns, you see, you're a retard, you see. You have the guns because the government allows you donkeys to have the guns, you see. The thing about rights is, that they have to actually exist. As owning a gun is not a human right, your argument is fucking meaningless And you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you see.

Clearly you're sheeple indoctrination is complete. Enjoy those chains slave-boy.

That's why we have the guns, you see.

You know what would be awesome? If you're guns mattered or we're useful in any way, except they don't, so it's pointless boasting about them

Then why are Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein in such a paranoid tizzy about those guns? It's because Marxists know that the first necessary step in imposing Marxism and tyranny is to disarm the populace so that they can't rise up and put down the tyrant.

And, you see, I have the Kinder Eggs, Motherfucker.

Yes, candy (along with bread and circuses) are great diversions for the lumpen proletariat to keep them distracted from their enslavement.

Unfortunate for you that Marxist zeal happens to be a lot less totalitarian and genocidal than murderous dictitorial Liberturdian Donkey zeal which is why your shitty little ideology will never leave the confines of your and fellow freaks brains

So bad luck with that.

Seems I've gotten your goat, sheeple.

Sure I am. Dozens, nay tens of thousands of pieces of evidence. Would you like some of them...though it shouldn't take more than one to convince you.

Nope. You being a cowardly murderous faggot is not evidence, try again. So how about you stop trying to channel fellow faggots like Heston and provide some proof, evidence, that this little delusion of guns are a human right is somehow a fact? Care to do that? Or will you just continue your retarded keyboard warrior threats of murder because you realize thats the only option open to you dictatorial faggots to gain power and silence the people that disagree with them.

Let's see, who's the psychopathic one...the one who argues rationally and logically or the one who experiences uncontrollable bursts of anger and verbally abusive behavior?

I'd say the latter.

You're wrong. Rights exist as a function of nature and our existence and pre-exist and exist independently of government. I'd explain it to you but it would be pointless because you're too stupid to understand the concepts involved.

No, you won't explain it because it'll be fucking unsubstantiated bullshit invented by your sorry pathetic little brain.

Ho hum.

You're too fucking stupid to understand there are no rights in nature. Something that's so fundamental it's ridiculous that an adult allowed near electricity is unable to fathom it.

If it wasn't horse shit you would be able to display to us an example of a right an animal has granted by mother nature.

I have, many times. You get to do your own homework in that regard. I'll give you a clue: The Organic Rights.

That'll be a long fucking wait I expect. I don't expect much of a response other than to threaten to shoot people who present you with questions your shitty little ideology is unable to answer. Fucking coward.

My, aren't you the paranoid one? I never threatened to shoot anyone without full lawful authority to do so.

Quite right you enturded title. I'm not owed anything. Neither are you. I wish you communiturds would get that through your thick heads.

I have a right to that which I can find, reduce to my possession and defend against intrusion by others. Guns make that remarkably easy.

Ahh but I am owed something thanks to the wondrous invention of society and civilization!

I'm not owed anything by nature however despite what you fascists would like to think.

Deep is the cognitive disconnect in this one...

Except you can't do that, because you live in a society and a civilization where gun toting little fascist fucks like you are kept under control, or you're punished for not playing nicely like a normal member of the human race that's not a complete fucking sociopath. So your guns are a useless, worthless, limp dicked pointless nonsense when it boils down to the actual reality of your situation.

Keep right on thinking that. You see, the guns are perfectly benign lumps of inanimate metal, plastic and wood so long as civilization and society continue to operate properly. They only become dangerous to Marxists when the less violent forms of dispute resolution fail.

You fail to realize that you're treated no better than a child, you don't even have the freedom of a sheep, you can only aspire to be a sheep, you're allowed to play with his toys as long as he's a good little boy and does as mummy tells him.

The good thing is that mummy is very afraid of overstepping her authority precisely because I get to play with my toys.

Sucks to be you.

Actually, it's great to be me. I'm going to go enjoy my RKBA next week by practicing my marksmanship by shooting at various targets a long ways away with various weapons in various calibers in the splendid isolation of the public lands of western Colorado. I've got a couple of thousand rounds set aside for marksmanship training that I haven't used up yet. That's something sheeple don't get to do at all, much less whenever they feel like it.

The flame-fest has been fun and it's nice nobody stuck their nose into it. Cheers!

[Seth]

Hmmmm

I think snow leopard is getting a bit carried away with the obscenities, but his main point is correct.

Human rights are not innate or 'natural' or given by God. They are simply what is permitted by the powers that be at the time.

There's a good little Marxist useful idiot demonstrating how effective Marxist propaganda and indoctrination is.

If you go back to looking at how medieval England (and every other nation of the time) operated, you will see that life itself, freedom from rape, assault, maiming etc., were not rights at all. Peasants were murdered at will by the knights and aristocrats, with no come back for the peasant's family, or punishment for the murderer. Self defense as a right for the majority of humanity (the serfs and peasants) was a joke. They had no right to defend themselves against those most likely to harm them, meaning the aristocrats.

Oh, they had the right, they were just indoctrinated to the notion that they were forbidden to exercise that right.

Over the years since then, humanity has come a long way. We no longer have mass hangings of people who committed trivial crimes. Most western nations (USA is the exception) have given up torture and the death penalty. Duels are illegal. Maimings as punishment are gone (except in Muslim nations). And we now have certain conditions described as 'human rights'.

I think you'll find that every one of those victims of tyrannical oppression would disagree with you and that not one of them went to their death willingly because they believed that the aristocracy had a right to dispose of their lives by whim and caprice. That's why, don't you see, that despotic monarchs claim the authority of God to do so and it's also why they strive to keep the lumpen proletariat disarmed, cowed and under control using the tactics of terror you refer to.

And that's precisely why the Founders of the United States forbade the government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms of each and every individual in the United States, so that such a tyranny could never take hold here.

I am totally, 100% in favour of good human rights. But they are not innate, or natural, or 'god given'. They are artificial constructs. Very desirable artificial constructs, to be sure.

So, if your society decides that you and your Atheist ilk are a detriment to social order, revokes your right to life and commands that you be tortured to death, you're okay with that? You wouldn't resist or complain or object? You'd just say "well, the collective issues my right to life so the collective can take it away whenever it likes" and go willingly to the torture chamber?

I hardly think so.

The best list of human rights is that declared by the United Nations. The 'right to bear arms' is most conspicuous by its absence, and exists only as a weirdness of the USA. No other nation, out of the roughly 200 that exist, is stupid enough to erect such a destructive and horrible "human right". Only the USA.

Which is why the UN Declaration of Human Rights is a fundamentally corrupt and flawed document. Add just one thing: the right of each and every law-abiding individual to keep and bear individual arms equal to or exceeding in function and effectiveness those issued to soldiers and it would be a great document. As it stands, it's a charter of slavery and nothing more, which is why the United States is not obliged to abide by it.

Nor am I.

[SnowLeopard]

My right exists because I say it exists

Doesn't make it a right fucknugget.

Okay so exactly as was predicted then, you have no evidence that your claim owning a gun is a universal human right.

I don't need you or anyone else, including some collective calling itself "government" to issue me permission to defend myself or to gather those tools I require to do so effectively

Actually you do.

You may attempt to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms if you like

Not a right. Hasn't been proven as a right. So it isn't a right. Just like it's not a natural right to own property.

and you might even farm out the attempt to the collective

Yes society does indeed hand the ability of dealing with lunatics to our democratically elected government.

Maybe if you weren't such a dick head you wouldn't need so many guns to defend yourself against the people that understandably want to stick an axe in the back of your skull? Just a thought.

but that doesn't mean my right ceases to exist because you challenge it.

The rightnever existed in the first place. It doesn't magic in to existence just because you believe it to be so. So it's not someone challenging your rights it's someone challenging your delusions as we are doing in this thread.

It just means that more civilized methods of balancing the exercise of rights have failed and we're back to natural law in its most raw and primitive form: survival of the fittest.

Nope. What it means is, do as your told or go to jail.

I'm fit to survive.

Nah, you're not. You're a hair stylist called Raoul. That drives around in a pink Audi TT with a shih tzu in your man purse.

Dunno about CNN, but the FBI (and DHS) and I are on good terms. You see, they understand the difference between trolling Scottish nitwits and legitimate threats.

At least you acknowledge you are a legitimate threat. It'd kinda tell me a great deal about my unhinged psychopathic personality if I was on any terms with the FBI or DHS.

Nah, you're not on good terms with them. Only according to you are you on good terms with them, and as we know, you're a bare faced liar. They're keeping their eye on you more like. Understandably so.

Because government frequently oversteps its authority and oppresses those it's chartered to serve. The bits of paper lay out the boundaries of legitimate government. The arms we keep and bear guarantee that those boundaries can be enforced if necessary.

Nope. There are no guarantees.

The bit's of paper lay out the boundaries of law abiding citizens.

And yet with this so alleged frequent over stepping you have so far failed to take arms against your government. Because it would make you a terrorist. And you're too much of a coward to use these alleged weapons to stand up for your beliefs as you so often bleet that they're for.

Because you know, your bluster is meaningless. Because you know, you would be killed if you tried anything against a democratically elected government. You'll be labelled a terrorist, unamerican, a traitor, and subsequently shot. Before you even manage to get your safety off.

Not my problem if you choose to delude yourself the reality of the situation would be any different. I'm not the one getting shot. You are.

I'd rather fuck Marxists off out of the country thanks.

Tough. Not happening. The fuck you going to do about it. Nothing is what. Impotent little shrew.

Clearly you're sheeple indoctrination is complete. Enjoy those chains slave-boy.

Nope. Clearly you are in just as much of these mythical Seth brained chains as anyone else you wish to label.

Did you know there is no law of trespass in Scotland? MMMmmm yeeeahh, I can wander wherever I want. How's that for liberty, smell that fuckin freedom. Can you do that in your country? No, you can't even buy a kinder egg. Enjoy your chains, Shrewple-boy. The ability to wander around the planet freely without obstruction is more of a universal natural human right than any of your gun bollocks anyway.

Then why are Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein in such a paranoid tizzy about those guns? It's because Marxists know that the first necessary step in imposing Marxism and tyranny is to disarm the populace so that they can't rise up and put down the tyrant.

Uhh yeah so given your 2nd sentence I don't think you're in a position to be saying anyone else is of a paranoid tizzy.

Because psychopaths like you have them and he would prefer not to be shot? It's not because they want to impose fucking marxism and tyranny, it's because they're rightfully fed up of your fucking population shooting each other and murdering school kids.

I mean it's just fucking laughable that we even bother conversing with you when you come out with shit like "oooh no the Marxists are taking over America" I mean you belong in a straight jacket, honestly. You're on par with fucking David Ike. Grow the fuck up. If your time was filled with any real hardships that normal people have to endure you would realize that your psychopathery and obsession over this delusion you have about the government turning on you was a waste of your time, you wouldn't have time to brood on this complete fucking fantasy shite you continually piss your pants over.

Do you fail to understand your rabid frothing at the mouth hate filled stupors kind of lose their emphasis when you class anyone to the left of Genghis Khan a Marxist.

Yes, candy (along with bread and circuses) are great diversions for the lumpen proletariat to keep them distracted from their enslavement.

What enslavement is that. mm? How is our "enslavement" any different from your "enslavement". And if you say "I have guns" I swear I'll fucking slap you. How ACTUALLY am I enslaved according to you? It's horse shit. Your whole argument is horse shit.

I'm pretty sure your ridiculous statements of "enslavement" are probably the most insulting thing possible that can be said considering what actual slaves had to go through in your backwards arsed country.

Seems I've gotten your goat, sheeple.

Nope. Just pointing out the reality that your shitty little ideology is never going to leave the confines of your cranium. Seems that ruffled your feathers, little impotent Liberturd shrew.

Let's see, who's the psychopathic one...the one who argues rationally and logically or the one who experiences uncontrollable bursts of anger and verbally abusive behavior?

I'd say the latter.

Show me anything you've ever said thats logical or rational. Simply can't be done.

You can say the later if you like but it doesn't stop you from being a psychopath in dire need of institutionalization if you think there is anything logical or rational about your opinion. Because I'm afraid to say there's not. That's why you get such shit from me, because your stupid little ideology deserves nothing better. Because your opinion, your argument, is fucking insane.

I have, many times. You get to do your own homework in that regard. I'll give you a clue: The Organic Rights.

Nope. I'm not doing your leg work. Show me proof of these organic rights, show me where these organic rights are laid out, Show me where these organic rights have been carved in to a cliff by a bolt of lightning, show me where and how these organic rights stand fast and how nothing can be done against them.

Here's a clue, "They exist because I say so" isn't proof.

Here's another clue, there's fuck all thing as organic rights. Sooner you learn that, the sooner you stop being a fucking eejit.

My, aren't you the paranoid one? I never threatened to shoot anyone without full lawful authority to do so.

I see your statements quite differently. Pretty sure a lawyer wouldn't have a hard time seeing it that way either.

I'll be glad to show you the evidence. It'll be coming your way at about 3000 feet per second so pay close attention...

You never said you would hit me, you didn't have to. You said it would be "Coming my way". If you were to actually discharge your firearm in my direction as you stated there, I think we could have a reasonable time taking you through the courts on attempted murder.

Lawful authority? Since when do you care about such trivial matters. What lawful authority has the right to tell you what you are able to do?? I thought you were above the law and could do whatever you wanted and no collective instilled gubbermint was going to stop you?!?

Keep right on thinking that. You see, the guns are perfectly benign lumps of inanimate metal, plastic and wood so long as civilization and society continue to operate properly. They only become dangerous to Marxists when the less violent forms of dispute resolution fail.

I will keep on thinking that, because it's the truth, your guns are a a useless, worthless, limp dicked pointless nonsense. Because there is no scenario on gods green earth that will ever play out where you're allowed to get away with using them against a democratically installed government without getting your arse handed to you in a bucket shortly after. The correct and proper operation of society, government and civilization does not come down to your cunted little opinion.

Where was your uproar and gun slinging after the NSA scandal huh? I didn't see you marching on capitol hill with a gun in each hand and a bandoleer over your chest, where were you tough guy? How well do you think all your beloved American corporations are going to react to quick draw Seth McGraw and his band of drunken hicks trying a revolution. You really think your beloved economy, Fortune 500 company's, Wall St, are going to put up with that? You continually fail to acknowledge the fact that it's not your government that's the problem, if your corporations pulling the strings of your government that's the problem. And yet somehow this system controlled by fat cat capitalist bastards bleeding the citizenry dry are Marxists according to you?! You live in a fucking cloud Seth.

The good thing is that mummy is very afraid of overstepping her authority precisely because I get to play with my toys.

That's what mummy wants you to think, You're perfectly brainwashed in to thinking you have some sort of power, fact is if you did actually have any power, you wouldn't be allowed it, the truth is mummy has a veeeeeery large toy box, muuuuuch bigger than Little Baby Seths little sling shot and pea shooter, a huuuuge warehouse full of bigger and better toys than yours, called the FBI, the CIA, DHS, ATF, The National Guard and the United States Military that will take care of you before you can even blink if you disobey her authority with one of your little temper tantrums, and you know it.

Actually, it's great to be me. I'm going to go enjoy my RKBA next week by practicing my marksmanship by shooting at various targets a long ways away with various weapons in various calibers in the splendid isolation of the public lands of western Colorado. I've got a couple of thousand rounds set aside for marksmanship training that I haven't used up yet. That's something sheeple don't get to do at all, much less whenever they feel like it.

And as long as you only shoot at paper people and do as your told like a good little impotent shrew, mummy will let you keep your guns. But if you don't

I'll head off to eat a kinder egg, Something you shrews living in the land of oppression don't get to do at all.

tl;dr Seths a twat.

[SnowLeopard]

Hmmmm

I think snow leopard is getting a bit carried away with the obscenities

ALL the obscenities!



Besides, it does say rabid under the URL

[SnowLeopard]

Hmmmm

I think snow leopard is getting a bit carried away with the obscenities, but his main point is correct.

Human rights are not innate or 'natural' or given by God. They are simply what is permitted by the powers that be at the time.

There's a good little Marxist useful idiot demonstrating how effective Marxist propaganda and indoctrination is.

Reality isn't Marxist propaganda Seth.

[Hermit]

My scrolling finger is getting very muscular..

The boys have been busy while I slept. 16 presses of the Page Down key for me this morning. The posts have become so repetitive, I wonder why I have even clicked on this thread.