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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:50 pm

Yeah, I was hoping that was just media hype, but it could be the actual sentence. :?
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Post by FBM » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:12 pm

mistermack wrote:
FBM wrote:
mistermack wrote:Trouble is, he might be innocent.

What's the chances of a fair trial, in Iran? The lying fuckers will say anything, and the judge will take a small bribe and sentence you to eye-gouging.
Well, tough shit for him, I reckon. Sets a worthwhile precedent. Not sure how he might be innocent in this case.
Well, it could be that he didn't do it. Could be that the actual culprit paid to get out of it, and paid to have another man accused.
And the woman is doing as she's told.

Could be that, could be a million ways he might be innocent. Or maybe SHE threw acid at his little sister, and this was ''justice''. We'll never know.
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FBM wrote:It's already uncivilized, but what rEv said is what I was getting at. In many places over there the guy would get a pat on the back, especially if the girl was going to school or walking outside without a male family member. It may represent a small step in the general direction of civilization.
But it's not clear on the reason why he's getting this punishment. Perhaps in this very same place he would be getting a pat on the back, for the same or similar actions under different circumstances. These punishments are "based on the principles of Islam", and apparently they are quite common so obviously (and as we all know anyway) this sort of thing is not an effective deterrent. And other laws also based on the principles of Islam are still further subjugating women. And as MM says, who knows if he's guilty? Even the best courts in the world make mistakes, as in America with the death penalty cases where (too late) it's been discovered they were innocent.

No. There's no way this is a step in the direction of civilization. At best it's a step sideways, a continuation of the horrific effects of a religious state on humanity.
I disagree. At the worst level, there's state-sanctioned misogyny and the guy gets praised for doing his duty. At a lesser level, he gets treated the same way he treated her. As the society advances, he gets punished in a humane way for his atrocity. At the highest level, he gets treatment for his psychological problems and is released. Not even the "enlightened West" has made it to that last level. We still punish for retribution, up to capital punishment. In a utilitarian sense, punishing the guy for what he did is an advance over praising him for what he did. That's not to say that Iran has suddenly become a Utopia.

Yes, he may even be innocent, but since we're bereft of details and have only the popular media as sources, what we're dealing with is really speculation and heresay, not really fact. What I say is based on media reports. If he's innocent, then no shit, he shouldn't be punished. However, I don't recall a lot of incidents in which people in Iran have been falsely accused of pouring acid on girls' faces.
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Post by tattuchu » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:21 pm

People think "queue" is just "q" followed by 4 silent letters.

But those letters are not silent.

They're just waiting their turn.

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Post by Mysturji » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:29 pm

I read the subject line and thought "WTF?! Fucking barbaric!" so I clicked on it and started reading and I thought "Fucking Iran! Why am I not surprised? WTF did he do, fart while someone was saying "Mohammad"?
Then I finished reading the first sentence of the OP and I thought "Oh. OK."

But having said that, all of the above. ^
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Post by mistermack » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:29 pm

FBM wrote: If he's innocent, then no shit, he shouldn't be punished. However, I don't recall a lot of incidents in which people in Iran have been falsely accused of pouring acid on girls' faces.
That's all right then.
If you don't recall it, it can't possibly have happened.

Or can it? Say two families are in a feud. Say a brother (the usual culprit) pours acid on a girl's face, for ''shaming'' the family.
Will the family name the brother? Or the son of the feuding family?
It's dead easy. Just beat the girl till she names the wrong person. Remove the suspicion on your family, and get an enemy arrested. What's to think about?

That's the sort of story that emerges over and over again from Islamic countries. They don't give a fuck about the truth, because you can always buy yourself out of a fix.
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Post by laklak » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:10 pm

Like Momma alus said, barbaric is a barbaric does.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Seabass » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:21 pm

FBM wrote:
mistermack wrote:
FBM wrote:
mistermack wrote:Trouble is, he might be innocent.

What's the chances of a fair trial, in Iran? The lying fuckers will say anything, and the judge will take a small bribe and sentence you to eye-gouging.
Well, tough shit for him, I reckon. Sets a worthwhile precedent. Not sure how he might be innocent in this case.
Well, it could be that he didn't do it. Could be that the actual culprit paid to get out of it, and paid to have another man accused.
And the woman is doing as she's told.

Could be that, could be a million ways he might be innocent. Or maybe SHE threw acid at his little sister, and this was ''justice''. We'll never know.
PsychoSerenity wrote:
FBM wrote:It's already uncivilized, but what rEv said is what I was getting at. In many places over there the guy would get a pat on the back, especially if the girl was going to school or walking outside without a male family member. It may represent a small step in the general direction of civilization.
But it's not clear on the reason why he's getting this punishment. Perhaps in this very same place he would be getting a pat on the back, for the same or similar actions under different circumstances. These punishments are "based on the principles of Islam", and apparently they are quite common so obviously (and as we all know anyway) this sort of thing is not an effective deterrent. And other laws also based on the principles of Islam are still further subjugating women. And as MM says, who knows if he's guilty? Even the best courts in the world make mistakes, as in America with the death penalty cases where (too late) it's been discovered they were innocent.

No. There's no way this is a step in the direction of civilization. At best it's a step sideways, a continuation of the horrific effects of a religious state on humanity.
I disagree. At the worst level, there's state-sanctioned misogyny and the guy gets praised for doing his duty. At a lesser level, he gets treated the same way he treated her. As the society advances, he gets punished in a humane way for his atrocity. At the highest level, he gets treatment for his psychological problems and is released. Not even the "enlightened West" has made it to that last level. We still punish for retribution, up to capital punishment. In a utilitarian sense, punishing the guy for what he did is an advance over praising him for what he did. That's not to say that Iran has suddenly become a Utopia.

Yes, he may even be innocent, but since we're bereft of details and have only the popular media as sources, what we're dealing with is really speculation and heresay, not really fact. What I say is based on media reports. If he's innocent, then no shit, he shouldn't be punished. However, I don't recall a lot of incidents in which people in Iran have been falsely accused of pouring acid on girls' faces.

I think I kind of agree with you. Idealists tend to reject the good in favor of the perfect but the trouble is, you can't always have perfection, and societies tend to progress in baby steps rather than by leaps and bounds. So, as horrific as the thought of punishment by mutilation is, the silver lining is that a muslim country is actually taking steps toward treating women as human beings. Modern liberal democracies don't become modern and liberal over night; it's a long process that takes centuries and lot of trial and error, emphasis on "error".

Now, obviously I'd prefer if they'd just lock the son of a bitch up, but I do think it's important to try to see the silver lining and consider context and the big picture before leaping to judgement.
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Post by FBM » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:35 pm

Yup. Crawl before you walk kinda thing.
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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:38 pm

FBM wrote:Yup. Crawl before you walk kinda thing.
And given that Islamic courts like ordering amputations, that is quite likely...
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Post by FBM » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:47 pm

:lol:
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