Vigilante

[Seth]

Thank you for your willingness to accept the risk for the victims of mass shootings. I'm sure their friends and relatives and future victims will really appreciate the dangers you are running on their behalf. As an aside, How many dead children before it won't be worth it for you to keep fondling your guns?

However many deranged criminals and murderers manage to kill because the general population of law-abiding citizens is inadequately armed to defend them. And YOU are to blame for that.

No innocent gets killed when I'm around, at least not until after I'm dead, having expended all rounds in my possession in their defense.

What the fuck are YOU going to do at the narrow passage? Nothing. Well, not nothing, you'll scream and cry and beg God for someone like me to be around to save your sorry ass as you piss and shit yourself in fear...until you get a round in the back of your head as you cower and plead for your life.

I'll die standing up facing the enemy and ripping his throat out with my teeth if it comes down to it.

So go fuck yourself.

[Seth]

And this is WHY we teach kids to shoot:

When Thomas White spotted a cougar approaching his teenage son outside their home in rural Washington state last week, there was only one thing to do - hand a gun to his 11-year-old daughter.

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Of course he really didn't have to give the gun to his daughter because only she had a tag, he would have been justified in shooting the cat without a license because it was a clear and present danger to his son.

[aspire1670]

Thank you for your willingness to accept the risk for the victims of mass shootings. I'm sure their friends and relatives and future victims will really appreciate the dangers you are running on their behalf. As an aside, How many dead children before it won't be worth it for you to keep fondling your guns?

However many deranged criminals and murderers manage to kill because the general population of law-abiding citizens is inadequately armed to defend them. And YOU are to blame for that.

No innocent gets killed when I'm around, at least not until after I'm dead, having expended all rounds in my possession in their defense.

What the fuck are YOU going to do at the narrow passage? Nothing. Well, not nothing, you'll scream and cry and beg God for someone like me to be around to save your sorry ass as you piss and shit yourself in fear...until you get a round in the back of your head as you cower and plead for your life.

I'll die standing up facing the enemy and ripping his throat out with my teeth if it comes down to it.

So go fuck yourself.

Ah, my little gun fondler and key board warrior, wedged snugly in his comy armchair dreaming his dreams of being a hero. Don't tell me, the gubbmint will have to pry your keyboard from your cold dead hands before they can take away your PC. How many kids have to die before you stop fondling your little pistol?

[Seth]

Thank you for your willingness to accept the risk for the victims of mass shootings. I'm sure their friends and relatives and future victims will really appreciate the dangers you are running on their behalf. As an aside, How many dead children before it won't be worth it for you to keep fondling your guns?

However many deranged criminals and murderers manage to kill because the general population of law-abiding citizens is inadequately armed to defend them. And YOU are to blame for that.

No innocent gets killed when I'm around, at least not until after I'm dead, having expended all rounds in my possession in their defense.

What the fuck are YOU going to do at the narrow passage? Nothing. Well, not nothing, you'll scream and cry and beg God for someone like me to be around to save your sorry ass as you piss and shit yourself in fear...until you get a round in the back of your head as you cower and plead for your life.

I'll die standing up facing the enemy and ripping his throat out with my teeth if it comes down to it.

So go fuck yourself.

Ah, my little gun fondler and key board warrior, wedged snugly in his comy armchair dreaming his dreams of being a hero. Don't tell me, the gubbmint will have to pry your keyboard from your cold dead hands before they can take away your PC. How many kids have to die before you stop fondling your little pistol?

Asked and answered.

Oh, and go fuck yourself again.

[Blind groper]

It has been answered before. More guns means more murders, not less. Western nations gun ownership correlates very closely with murder rates. More guns, more murders.

New England Journal of Medicine reports that simply owning a gun doubles your chances of being murdered, and increases the odds of a member of your family killing him/herself, by a factor of double to ten times, depending on how securely the gun is stored.

More guns means more deaths, not fewer. Your beliefs, Seth, belong in fairyland.

[JimC]

It has been answered before. More guns means more murders, not less. Western nations gun ownership correlates very closely with murder rates. More guns, more murders.

New England Journal of Medicine reports that simply owning a gun doubles your chances of being murdered, and increases the odds of a member of your family killing him/herself, by a factor of double to ten times, depending on how securely the gun is stored.

More guns means more deaths, not fewer. Your beliefs, Seth, belong in fairyland.

Collector was a little more honest, implying that he didn't care if a society with many guns meant more deaths, it was not going to restrict his freedom to own one...

[Seth]

It has been answered before. More guns means more murders, not less. Western nations gun ownership correlates very closely with murder rates. More guns, more murders.

New England Journal of Medicine reports that simply owning a gun doubles your chances of being murdered, and increases the odds of a member of your family killing him/herself, by a factor of double to ten times, depending on how securely the gun is stored.

More guns means more deaths, not fewer. Your beliefs, Seth, belong in fairyland.

More deaths for whom, pray tell?

Besides, it's still true in the US that more guns =/= more crime.

[Collector1337]

Just to make one thing clear, once more about my views.

I have no problem with people owning sporting rifles to hunt game.

My objection is to people being freely able to buy tools for committing murder, meaning hand guns. They have little value as hunting weapons, since a rifle is much better. Their chief characteristics are portability, concealability, and lethality at close range. This means they are ideal for sneaking into close range, whipping them out and committing murder, which happens in the USA 8,000 times a year. Banning rifles, shotguns, or even assault guns will have little effect on the murder rate. But getting rid of hand guns would save thousands of lives every year.

If you want to insist on owning something to fend off "the evil government", then a hand gun is of little value anyway. A rifle is much better.

A rifle is much better. Probably the smartest thing you've ever said.

But it says, "shall not be infringed" so that includes pistols too. Sorry.

It's the most practical means of self defense. The government can't rob me of my right to defend myself.

All these "handgun murders" you constantly drone on about, is not a valid argument in my opinion. First off, a high number of them are just gang bangers shooting each other, so I could really give a shit. Second, there isn't freedom without some risk. I am willing to accept that risk. It is more than worth it. But, I have a feeling, you don't understand this. We don't have people fleeing the country because of all the dreaded "handgun murders," quite the opposite in fact.

Thank you for your willingness to accept the risk for the victims of mass shootings. I'm sure their friends and relatives and future victims will really appreciate the dangers you are running on their behalf. As an aside, How many dead children before it won't be worth it for you to keep fondling your guns?

Emotion minded argument.

Apparently, you didn't watch Gallstones' latest video post in the thread just under this one.

Maybe IT IS YOU you should be thinking of the victims who were thinking to themselves amongst the panic, while they wait hopelessly until they're next, "If only I had a gun right now... this would be over."

Your argument is emotion minded and naive. It lacks rational minded thinking and is dismissed as the nonsense that it is.

[Collector1337]

It has been answered before. More guns means more murders, not less. Western nations gun ownership correlates very closely with murder rates. More guns, more murders.

New England Journal of Medicine reports that simply owning a gun doubles your chances of being murdered, and increases the odds of a member of your family killing him/herself, by a factor of double to ten times, depending on how securely the gun is stored.

More guns means more deaths, not fewer. Your beliefs, Seth, belong in fairyland.

Collector was a little more honest, implying that he didn't care if a society with many guns meant more deaths, it was not going to restrict his freedom to own one...

You mean OUR freedom to own one.

You see what I mean when I say you can't even comprehend freedom because of how you think?

I'm not saying I believe in the clearly biased journal. I'm being honest in that even if it is true, it's irrelevant, especially considering the decades long decline in overall crime. Which is the bigger goal. Not just "gun deaths."

[Collector1337]

Amazing how the propaganda put out by the gun manufacturers has seeped into the weak minded.

Are you fucking shitting me? The NFL wouldn't allow a commercial by Daniel Defense to be aired during the super bowl, and you actually believe there's all this "gun propaganda." This is comical.

They actually believe that owning a gun is what freedom is all about.

It's not what it's all about, but it is definitely the epitome of freedom. It means the government is your servant, not your master. It's a more true democracy when it's the entire citizenry's right to bear arms. It's insurance that the people will be victorious over oppressors.

Sorry guys, but it aint true. The global community does not believe it, because it is not correct. The United Nations put out a universal declaration of human rights, combining the mass wisdom of the whole world to do so, and owning guns is most conspicuous by its absense. Probably because the gun makers do not have a lobby and bribing opportunity at the UN. Thank Finagle for that!

The UN? You think I give a fuck what the UN thinks? I'm sure the UN is totally corruption free. LOL.

The wording of the second amendment makes it clear that the US founding fathers were simply trying to ensure they had amateurs with guns to defend the nation.

"Amateurs?" Well guess what West Point Graduate: Shit load of "amateurs with guns" who can then also acquire the weaponry of the defeated enemy, which will be bigger and better than an ordaniary citizen would generally have, can blend in with civilians and become an insurgency force > any army in the world. This of course includes the US military, see examples: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.

The use of the word "right" must have been used very cynically.

Pffft. Wrong. Talk about baseless.

[Collector1337]

Gun nuts are utter fucking lunatics..

"Gun nut" is nowhere to be found in the DSM, there Mr. Stereotype Lover.

[Collector1337]

From another thread:

I am amused by the play on words. You have given me a few seconds reprieve from the bleak futility of existence.

This is totally the kind of optimistic attitude of someone I want to be like and adopt culture of, instead of cherishing my own culture, life, and liberty from such wonderful land that was framed with the inclusion of rights that has afforded me these things.

Depression though, is definitely found in the DSM in a wide variety of flavors.

[aspire1670]

Just to make one thing clear, once more about my views.

I have no problem with people owning sporting rifles to hunt game.

My objection is to people being freely able to buy tools for committing murder, meaning hand guns. They have little value as hunting weapons, since a rifle is much better. Their chief characteristics are portability, concealability, and lethality at close range. This means they are ideal for sneaking into close range, whipping them out and committing murder, which happens in the USA 8,000 times a year. Banning rifles, shotguns, or even assault guns will have little effect on the murder rate. But getting rid of hand guns would save thousands of lives every year.

If you want to insist on owning something to fend off "the evil government", then a hand gun is of little value anyway. A rifle is much better.

A rifle is much better. Probably the smartest thing you've ever said.

But it says, "shall not be infringed" so that includes pistols too. Sorry.

It's the most practical means of self defense. The government can't rob me of my right to defend myself.

All these "handgun murders" you constantly drone on about, is not a valid argument in my opinion. First off, a high number of them are just gang bangers shooting each other, so I could really give a shit. Second, there isn't freedom without some risk. I am willing to accept that risk. It is more than worth it. But, I have a feeling, you don't understand this. We don't have people fleeing the country because of all the dreaded "handgun murders," quite the opposite in fact.

Thank you for your willingness to accept the risk for the victims of mass shootings. I'm sure their friends and relatives and future victims will really appreciate the dangers you are running on their behalf. As an aside, How many dead children before it won't be worth it for you to keep fondling your guns?

Emotion minded argument.

Apparently, you didn't watch Gallstones' latest video post in the thread just under this one.

Maybe IT IS YOU you should be thinking of the victims who were thinking to themselves amongst the panic, while they wait hopelessly until they're next, "If only I had a gun right now... this would be over."

Your argument is emotion minded and naive. It lacks rational minded thinking and is dismissed as the nonsense that it is.

I am sympathetic to your feelings of inadequacy and do understand you live in a state of constant fear because of it. I feel for you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) but you shouldn't resent others who don’t share your lack of of physical and moral courage. You are wasting your time trying your hardest to make others feel fearful the same way you do.

I do try very hard to empathise with gun fondlers like yourself because I understand you feel unprepared to compete in the modern world. I am sympathetic to your shortcomings: your fears, weakness and inadequacy. Your pathological penchant for gun fondling only proves the strength of your fearfulness. But I would like to help you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) to face your demons and recognise that a gun is itself a symbol of your fear.

Working together we may be able to help you develop the physical and moral courage that most people were born with.

[SnowLeopard]

I am sympathetic to your feelings of inadequacy and do understand you live in a state of constant fear because of it. I feel for you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) but you shouldn't resent others who don’t share your lack of of physical and moral courage. You are wasting your time trying your hardest to make others feel fearful the same way you do.

I do try very hard to empathise with gun fondlers like yourself because I understand you feel unprepared to compete in the modern world. I am sympathetic to your shortcomings: your fears, weakness and inadequacy. Your pathological penchant for gun fondling only proves the strength of your fearfulness. But I would like to help you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) to face your demons and recognise that a gun is itself a symbol of your fear.

Working together we may be able to help you develop the physical and moral courage that most people were born with.

[Seth]

I am sympathetic to your feelings of inadequacy and do understand you live in a state of constant fear because of it. I feel for you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) but you shouldn't resent others who don’t share your lack of of physical and moral courage. You are wasting your time trying your hardest to make others feel fearful the same way you do.

I do try very hard to empathise with gun fondlers like yourself because I understand you feel unprepared to compete in the modern world. I am sympathetic to your shortcomings: your fears, weakness and inadequacy. Your pathological penchant for gun fondling only proves the strength of your fearfulness. But I would like to help you (and young Seth and poor Gallstones) to face your demons and recognise that a gun is itself a symbol of your fear.

Working together we may be able to help you develop the physical and moral courage that most people were born with.

And against all common sense and logic we will be there to defend you and your ilk when your pacifism and submission fails and your lives are on the line. This is because "gun fondlers" like me believe that even idiots like you need to be defended in the best interests of the larger community. So the half of us who are "gun fondlers" go right on protecting the half that are dependent-class serfs in spite of your ill-mannered arrogance.