Vigilante

[Blind groper]

To Seth

Look at the Wiki entry on John Lott. You will see references on what an unreliable source he is. When asked to present his data, he could not. He could not even prove he done the survey he claimed. He used a 'sock puppet' instead of a real person for personal references. Other academics showed that his methods were statistical nonsense. If it were not for the gun manufacturers and their puppets supporting Lott's nonsense, there would be no issue.

You say that we simply have to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. OK. So how do those guns get into criminal hands. That research has been done, by interviewing felons. Turns out that :

1. One third of guns in criminal hands are stolen.
2. One third are bought on the second hand market.
3. One third are bought from gun dealers.

So how do we stop this happening? Simple.

1. Require all gun owners to keep their guns in police approved gun safes to stop them being stolen.
2. Require all second hand sales to be police registered and recorded.
3. Tighten up the background checks and records from gun dealer sales.
4. Put anyone who does not comply into prison.

[Collector1337]

1. Require all gun owners to keep their guns in police approved gun safes to stop them being stolen.
2. Require all second hand sales to be police registered and recorded.
3. Tighten up the background checks and records from gun dealer sales.
4. Put anyone who does not comply into prison.

[Blind groper]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

[Collector1337]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

No, it's not sad. It's a great thing.

I'm not the US government or associated with any gun manufacturer and I don't want any of those things.

Let's go over how just utterly ridiculous your "suggestions" and so-called "sense" is shit:

1. Require all gun owners to keep their guns in police approved gun safes to stop them being stolen.

First off, my gun is no good to me locked in a safe. I need it at the ready. Requiring safes also makes gun ownership, which is a right, cost prohibitive, which in high crime/poverty stricken areas, like GS's recent video post of the woman defending her children in Detroit, such a great "anecdote."

Safes don't necessarily keep shit from being stolen. You know this, right?

How do you go about enforcing such a complete and utter shit law? Allow police to come into your home at random to check and make sure you comply? Absolutely fucking not. This is America. We don't do that shit here. We have rights. Get it?

2. Require all second hand sales to be police registered and recorded.

There will never be a gun registry... ever, for many reasons. But, I'll reiterate, again, a simple point that's really the only one that matters. This is America. We have rights. We don't play that shit here. You can keep your tyranny.

3. Tighten up the background checks and records from gun dealer sales.

See answer #2.

4. Put anyone who does not comply into prison.

Great. That's just what we need. More people in overcrowded prisons for exercising their liberty and rights as an American.

Do you see why I find your so-called "sense" absolutely hilarious? Especially as a Libertarian, how comical it is on many levels.

[FBM]

Because criminals really do care about obeying the law.

[Blind groper]

Collector

Liberty has never been about having the freedom to break the law, or to do things which result in other people being killed.

[Seth]

To Seth

Look at the Wiki entry on John Lott. You will see references on what an unreliable source he is.

What? Wikipedia is your authoritative source? No wonder you sound like an idiot all the time.

When asked to present his data, he could not.

No, he DID NOT.

He could not even prove he done the survey he claimed.

He didn't need to do so for those who were challenging his research, which consisted of the selfsame left-wing liberal anti-gun nitwits you resort to. He politely told them to fuck off and do their own research, which they declined to do.

He used a 'sock puppet' instead of a real person for personal references. Other academics showed that his methods were statistical nonsense. If it were not for the gun manufacturers and their puppets supporting Lott's nonsense, there would be no issue.

So Wikipedia says. But then again Wikipedia says that Sen. Joseph McCarthy unjustly maligned innocent people, which has been proven to be a flat-out, deliberate, carefully calculated lie that's been repeated so often that it's become conventional wisdom. Unfortunately for the anti-McCarthyites, the truth has been revealed and all of it vindicates McCarthy fully. So your reference materials are not credible, as you are so fond of saying.

You say that we simply have to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. OK. So how do those guns get into criminal hands. That research has been done, by interviewing felons. Turns out that :

1. One third of guns in criminal hands are stolen.
2. One third are bought on the second hand market.
3. One third are bought from gun dealers.

So how do we stop this happening? Simple.

And where did you get this remarkably false factoid pray tell? HCI?

1. Require all gun owners to keep their guns in police approved gun safes to stop them being stolen.
2. Require all second hand sales to be police registered and recorded.
3. Tighten up the background checks and records from gun dealer sales.
4. Put anyone who does not comply into prison.

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I prefer to arrest the armed criminals who survive an encounter with an armed citizen and put them in prison for life.

[Seth]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

I'm good with that because the US government IS corrupt and we DO NOT live in a democracy. That's exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment...and our guns.

[JimC]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

I'm good with that because the US government IS corrupt and we DO NOT live in a democracy. That's exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment...and our guns.

Whatever the faults that your government may have, it's the whole "we need our guns to protect us from an evil government" thing that makes you folk look like utter lunatics and fanatics...

[FBM]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

I'm good with that because the US government IS corrupt and we DO NOT live in a democracy. That's exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment...and our guns.

Whatever the faults that your government may have, it's the whole "we need our guns to protect us from an evil government" thing that makes you folk look like utter lunatics and fanatics...

Keep in mind that the year the Bill of Rights was passed was the same year that the French Revolution started. Different times. It does seem that it has since gradually become obsolete, but the reason for putting it (2nd Amendment) in there was pretty legit at the time.

[JimC]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

I'm good with that because the US government IS corrupt and we DO NOT live in a democracy. That's exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment...and our guns.

Whatever the faults that your government may have, it's the whole "we need our guns to protect us from an evil government" thing that makes you folk look like utter lunatics and fanatics...

Keep in mind that the year the Bill of Rights was passed was the same year that the French Revolution started. Different times. It does seem that it has since gradually become obsolete, but the reason for putting it (2nd Amendment) in there was pretty legit at the time.

I can understand it had a historical reason.

So did religion, letting blood and bedlams...

Historical reasons evaporate, if not maintained for altered purposes...

[Blind groper]

http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/24/why-is ... -industry/

The current reason for the second amendment is to maintain a lucrative market for the American gun manufacturing industry, despite the killings and carnage that is the result. The reason the American government permits this is because of the hundreds of millions of dollars of bribe money the gun manufacturers dispense via their puppets.

This government support of the gun industry, induced by bribes, is demonstrated by the legal protection the gun makers have against law suits.(Reference above)

[JimC]

http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/24/why-is ... -industry/

The current reason for the second amendment is to maintain a lucrative market for the American gun manufacturing industry, despite the killings and carnage that is the result. The reason the American government permits this is because of the hundreds of millions of dollars of bribe money the gun manufacturers dispense via their puppets.

This government support of the gun industry, induced by bribes, is demonstrated by the legal protection the gun makers have against law suits.(Reference above)

That is most probably one important reason, but there is also a stubborn adherence to a romantic view of individualism amongst a significant number of Americans; a fantasy which may have had its place on the open range, or in the throws of a war of independence, but is a sad and dangerous hang-over in their current environment...

[Blind groper]

That is true, Jim. But it is a pseudo-romanticism that is carefully nurtured by those who make money out of guns.

[Seth]

To collector

It is a very sad thing, but your hilarity may be a valid response to those suggestions. While the US government remains utterly corrupt, and the gun manufacturers, through their stooges, exercise so much control over what is supposed to be a democracy, it is hard to see much sense prevailing.

I'm good with that because the US government IS corrupt and we DO NOT live in a democracy. That's exactly why we have the 2nd Amendment...and our guns.

Whatever the faults that your government may have, it's the whole "we need our guns to protect us from an evil government" thing that makes you folk look like utter lunatics and fanatics...

I'm sure the same lame rhetoric was used by the Third Reich, and Mao, and Stalin, and every other despotic tyrant in history as an excuse to disarm the public.

The good news is we don't care what you think because we're free and you're not.