Socialised Medicine Yaaaaaaaayyyy

[SnowLeopard]

If you want to argue natural law and say that it's "ethnically" (sic) justifiable I'll just "ethnically" justify my needs by coming over to your place and taking every fucking thing you own whether you like it or not because I have the ability to do so and you are entirely unable to prevent me from doing so. So be careful what you wish for.

Seth has literally just descended to "U wot m8, fite me 1v1 IRL I'll fuk u up I swear on me mum"

That's just sad.

Pity you don't begin to understand sarcasm.

Oh I understand it, I'm British. However being able to believe for even half a second you are remotely capable of sarcasm... That's another question.

Either that or you understand sarcasm about as well as any other topic you attempt to blabber on about.

aw shit, maybe you were trying to be sarcastic in that case, lol, so cute.

[SnowLeopard]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is.

Yeah, but, it's not though. So... Kinda makes any shit you say from there on in pointless if you don't even understand what the definition of theft is.

[SnowLeopard]

Fallacious appeal to common practice as a rhetorical evasion.

What's stolen remains the property of the original owner is a universal legal principle. Just because you can convince government thugs to do your robbery for you doesn't change the nature of the crime or the title to the property.

The fact that taxation is not theft is a universal legal principle, so, the fuck do you care about the reality of universal legal principles.

[SnowLeopard]

I'm not derailing anything. If you don't like the system of the country you are living in, depart the country. Sitting there complaining about it but continuing to take part in the thing you are complaining about seems rather.. I'm not sure. Childish. Like a kid moaning to mummy about having to eat his sprouts, but knows in reality he has to just shut up and eat them or he doesn't get any ice cream. Adults seem to grow out of that and just knuckle down and get on with it, you know?

No? It's not a question of morality at all. I don't have to justify anything to you. I didn't make the law.

If you want my opinion. It would be immoral not to tax those who can afford it to assist people who need help. With so few people controlling so much of the wealth, on a planet of 7 billion people it is a necessity to redistribute that wealth so they can have a bearable life. Because you know, we are a civilized and humane society. Unfortunately, for you, every country in the world has that same opinion. If that means that Seths jimmies have to be rustled, well, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Which leaves you with 2 options.

1, Suck it up.

2, Find an atoll and create Sethland.

This is quite literally nothing more than a simplistic utilitarian "might makes right" "love it or leave it" asinine argument that, if I made it by saying that government should shoot YOU in the head for proposing theft you would bitch and scream like a three year old about. Just as every other socialist on earth you dare not even look at the morality of your behavior because you intuitively know that it's wrong and immoral to take what someone else has worked for without their permission just so you can be more comfortable.

Nope.

Yup.

Nope.

[mistermack]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is.

Yeah, but, it's not though. So... Kinda makes any shit you say from there on in pointless if you don't even understand what the definition of theft is.

Careful there Snowy.
You're dealing with one of the greatest intellects on the forum.

[SnowLeopard]

Snow Leopard, go fuck yourself.

Nah. Or what, you'll beat my ass? 1v1 IRL swear on yer mum?

Answer the question or fuck off. And go fuck yourself a second time.

I've answered the question, you just don't like the answer. Not my problem, basically you're evading it, sucks to be you.

I think little Seths jimmies are rustled!

I bet he's gone off to stroke his government permitted firearms to feel manly again.

I'd rather watch the steam boil out of your ears. It's fun to watch dependent class asshats get all steamed up at the idea that they might not get to suck at the public teat.

Such evasion.

No steam boiling out of my ears me 'ol yankee doodle. I'm not the one which no single nation on the planet agrees with lol. I don't have to worry about anything you think about for a nano second because citizens of the world don't really tend to elect the criminally insane to high office. So alas the Presidency of His Lord Sethness is probably quite some time away for us all.

Go fuck yourself again.

More evasion from you.

It seems Seths jimmies have reached maximum rustle!

More evasion. Just proves what I said, dependent class fuckwits get very intimidated and afraid and lash out in anger when someone speaks the truth to them and causes them to examine their prejudices and wrongdoing.

Even more evasion by you!

Aw I think you wish you could actually intimidate me. Sadly for you I am doing no wrong.

You just sit there evading the fact that you're proven wrong, by me, by everyone, constantly, repeatedly, endlessly. Making yourself look like some sort of mentally challenged parrot, bleeting and skwaking out the same debunked lines again and again regardless of what anyone types being an evasive little bitch. Regardless of how much of a tit you are made to look. Or, how much of a tit you manage to make yourself look (quite a big one most of the time but shhhh it's ok I won't let on). Dearest little Seth you are the text book example of a pigeon playing chess, knocking over the pieces, incapable of human thought, shitting all over the place and claiming victory.

Just because something rattles around in your cranium and then falls out of that arse on the front of your face as an opinion doesn't make it truth. I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but just because you think something, doesn't actually make it the truth.

If I didn't have so much fun taking the piss out of you, poking you for being the perfect little pliable rag doll of seething puss filled hate at the world around you, it would almost be sad.

If it comes to it, I'd rather martyr you to Marxism thanks.

You'd rather just bitch and whine than actually grow some stones and do something to stand up for your convictions is what you're evading saying then.

[SnowLeopard]

Anyway, we who live in countries with some form of national health care don't give a flying continental fuck what selfish arseholes from less fortunate countries might "think" about how we run our affairs...

That doesn't make you immune to being criticized as a common thief. The common thief always rationalizes his criminality by telling himself that he deserves what he wants more than the person who labored to earn it. But that's just a delusional rationalization, which is what all of Marxism is...a flatly insane delusional mental defect afflicting a large number of people who, for the betterment of the species, need to be culled from the gene pool.

Affects David Attenborough narration voice.

Here, in the depths of rationalia, we see a wild and untamed species of Libertarianus Fuckwiticus. A these are a truly rare sight these days. These wild, aggressive, irrational untamed creatures are an endangered species due to their inability to co-exist within the realms of the civilized society that has blossomed around them. The main defense mechanism of Libertarianus Fuckwiticus is to defecate in a bucket and throw it's own feces at opponents while claiming victory.

Note this species incredible ability to be completely cut off from reality. Indeed, we have just witnessed some classic psychopathic behavior that defines this species. Observe how this particular specimen went beyond it's means attempting to argue from a stance of morality and ethics, then proceeds to claim all those that disagree with his view point should be murdered in some sort of mass genocide.

A truly fascinating subject

More rhetorical posturing from a socialist who is afraid to even examine his own policies lest he discover how morally and ethically corrupt he really is.

Oh Seth there was nothing rhetorical about it I really do think you are a completely bat shit insane psychopath.

Well Seth here it is. I've examined my policies and I've concluded that they are moral, they're ethical and they're just.

So there we have it. End of story.

To wile away a few minutes, seconds really, I also took the liberty of examining what I would feel like if my policies aligned with yours. My conclusion was as follows. If I had values, morals and ethics as unjust, uncaring, inhumane, greedy, deplorable, vile, corrupt, disgusting, despicable and down right sickening as yours. If I had to live my life as the human incarnation of Mr Burns or Scrooge McDuck.

I would take one of the many firearms that I would probably own to compensate for my lack of testicles and presumably tiny penis, and shoot myself between the eyes with it.

[SnowLeopard]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is.

Yeah, but, it's not though. So... Kinda makes any shit you say from there on in pointless if you don't even understand what the definition of theft is.

Careful there Snowy.
You're dealing with one of the greatest intellects on the forum.

It's theft because I say so and you must RESPECT. MY. AUTHORITAAAA!!!

[SnowLeopard]

I'm SO glad I don't live in a "democracy" where the tyrannical masses can vote away my fundamental rights.

Pity about your place. Now be a good little proletarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like liberty.

Seth's losing his rag.
You're a sorry excuse for a troll.

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

That's rich coming from the human version of a fish that throws itself in to a boat.

[SnowLeopard]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is. And you're quite typically evading the question yet again like every socialist on earth is forced to do because not one swinging dick or drizzly cunt among you can make a supportable moral or ethical argument for that theft.

Funny how the argument for that ''theft'' is made, and supported, and voted for, at every election in a great many countries round the world. All those millions of people do exactly that, and put their money and their votes where their mouth is. They would kick out any party that tried to abolish it.

It's only the loony right wing, in a loony right-wing country, that actually see it your way.

I'm SO glad I don't live in a "democracy" where the tyrannical masses can vote away my fundamental rights.

By fundamental rights I take it you mean the privileges proposed by the first government, and subsequently granted permission to continue to use those privileges by consecutive governments for the length of time that it's in their interest.

Now be a good little proletarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like liberty.

Did a Bald Eagle land on your shoulder as you wrote that Seth.

[macdoc]

Now be a good little libertarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like fraternity.

fixed that for you.....

.just where is this libby Valhalla 'cept in your wetdreams??

[Seth]

Oh Seth there was nothing rhetorical about it I really do think you are a completely bat shit insane psychopath.

Takes one to know one I suppose.

Well Seth here it is. I've examined my policies and I've concluded that they are moral, they're ethical and they're just.

So there we have it. End of story.

And yet you are entirely unable to articulate your reasoning that leads you to this conclusion. This smacks of delusional mental illness.

To wile away a few minutes, seconds really, I also took the liberty of examining what I would feel like if my policies aligned with yours. My conclusion was as follows. If I had values, morals and ethics as unjust, uncaring, inhumane, greedy, deplorable, vile, corrupt, disgusting, despicable and down right sickening as yours. If I had to live my life as the human incarnation of Mr Burns or Scrooge McDuck.

Yes, delusional mental illness, that's it alright. You should see someone about that problem right away, before you hurt someone. Tell them that you are unable to distinguish between generous acts of rational altruism, charity and enlightened self-interest, all of which are voluntary traits of well-formed adult personalities that routinely manifest themselves in the actions of rational, sane adults when they encounter others in genuine need, and the unjust, uncaring, inhumane, greedy, deplorable, vile, corrupt, disgusting, despicable and down right sickening irrational hatred, greed, envy and flatly criminal mental instability of socialists such as yourself that causes them to take what they want by force because they delusionally think they are entitled to what others have labored for, in this case by using the government as a proxy thug, because they are too cowardly to actually rob others themselves in person, lest they get killed in the process. Even criminals are more worthy than socialist fuckwits because at least they have the courage to put their own lives on the line to ply their trade, whereas socialists are, to a man, cowards of the highest order who have to employ others to do their dirty work for them.

I would take one of the many firearms that I would probably own to compensate for my lack of testicles and presumably tiny penis, and shoot myself between the eyes with it.

Don't let that stop you, you're in far greater need of a lead suppository than anyone I know. It would resolve your mental illness problems at least.

[SnowLeopard]

And yet you are entirely unable to articulate your reasoning that leads you to this conclusion.

Nope. I believe in care, humanity, compassion. And value the weak and poor of our society more than I value the feelings of out of touch, out of date, self important, greedy self centered misers with delusions of grandeur that want to keep their tight fisted claws on their "own" money. I value it more than I value the views of the lowest scum, the dregs of humanity that would rather their hand stay gripped tightly to their wallet than open it to save someone from dying, or give care and comfort to the elderly and infirm. Especially when they earned that money full in the knowledge of exactly what percentage will be taken by the state so it can be put to better use to help the needy and less fortunate of our society before they earned a penny. It's the same reasoning that nearly everyone in every country in the world adheres to. Simple, straight forward, straight to the point. You lose. It's not really a very elusive opinion.

Which is why it confuses us as to why you're too fucking thick and stuck up your own arse to be able to understand that.

It is the moral thing to do. It is the ethical thing to do. It is the right thing to do.

Anyone who was incapable of understanding the social contract they agree to by virtue of residing in the country of their choice must surely have some sort of, I don't know, delusion, or mental illness.

Besides, as I said, I'm affirmed to my reasoning because if I had the opposite values, your values, and lack there of, I would shoot myself for being a stain on humanity.

This smacks of delusional mental illness

Personally I'd be cautious about throwing the word delusional around if every country and book of law on the planet disagreed with my opinion on taxation.

If that was the case I would stop and think, "You know what, maybe I actually am a complete fucking turd and the entire planet actually isn't wrong, maybe.... just maybe, I'M WRONG!"

Rather than just being a sociopath. But you know, to each his own.

You should see someone about that problem right away, before you hurt someone.

Out of the 2 of us who recently advocated genocide... ? I think you should commit yourself to an institution before those nasty ignorant little voices in your head do damage to innocent people around you.

Tell them that you are unable to distinguish between generous acts of rational altruism, charity and enlightened self-interest, all of which are voluntary traits of well-formed adult personalities that routinely manifest themselves in the actions of rational, sane adults when they encounter others in genuine need, and the unjust, uncaring, inhumane, greedy, deplorable, vile, corrupt, disgusting, despicable and down right sickening irrational hatred, greed, envy and flatly criminal mental instability of socialists such as yourself that causes them to take what they want by force because they delusionally think they are entitled to what others have labored for, in this case by using the government as a proxy thug, because they are too cowardly to actually rob others themselves in person, lest they get killed in the process. Even criminals are more worthy than socialist fuckwits because at least they have the courage to put their own lives on the line to ply their trade, whereas socialists are, to a man, cowards of the highest order who have to employ others to do their dirty work for them.

Blah delusional cobblers blah fucking skwak evasion blah rhetorical posturing ribbit nonsensical utter fuckin shite devoid of reality bleet.

Aw I love seeing libertards steam boil out of their ears. And with someone that has as much water on the brain as Seth we get enough steam to start our own vintage fucking railway.

Sadly countries can't run on charity. Anyone who thinks they can is a few sticks short of a faggot. Maybe you should check yourself in to a mental health facillity and tell them how a country of 60 million, 100 million, 200 million, 300 million people can survive at current standards of care on random acts of kindness. They'll have you in a straight jacket so fast your head will spin.

Even more than it already does.

[SnowLeopard]

Be a good little libertarian and shut up about things you don't understand... like humanity.

[JimC]

The pragmatic point here is that Seth's absolutist views on tax morality have zero chance of affecting anything in the real world. On the other hand, lobbying, using at least a degree of rational arguments, for a reduction in overall taxation, and a reduction in the proportion spent on social services could, in the right circumstances, lead to political change (not that I would agree with it, but it is a legitimate conservative position to take)

Seth, if you are true to your word, you should write to the IRS, informing them you have decided to stop paying taxes, outlining your moral objections as you've done in this thread.

Then wait till the shit hits the fan...