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[Seth]

If you want to argue natural law and say that it's "ethnically" (sic) justifiable I'll just "ethnically" justify my needs by coming over to your place and taking every fucking thing you own whether you like it or not because I have the ability to do so and you are entirely unable to prevent me from doing so. So be careful what you wish for.

Seth has literally just descended to "U wot m8, fite me 1v1 IRL I'll fuk u up I swear on me mum"

That's just sad.

Pity you don't begin to understand sarcasm.

[Seth]

Seth, you and a minuscule minority can bring up as many arguments based on your personal (and peculiar) sense of morality you like, but you are pissing into the wind on this one, and you know it. No real world government will ever follow the principles you espouse. Ever.

Fallacious appeal to common practice as a rhetorical evasion.

Much better to come up with a series of rational (albeit right-wing) arguments for taxation reduction and/or the reduction of over-generous social payments. That way you might actually achieve something in the real world...

Otherwise, you are just another crazy loon, wearing a placard saying "Repent, fools!", and being either ignored or sniggered at by the rest of the world...

Mind you, "Seth" has a very old testament flavour to it...

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is. And you're quite typically evading the question yet again like every socialist on earth is forced to do because not one swinging dick or drizzly cunt among you can make a supportable moral or ethical argument for that theft.

[Seth]

Fairness and empathy are part of the natural environment which all higher animals apart those who have had it beaten out of them (ie Seth) have , property is not

Ever heard of a thing called "eating"? One cannot eat without reducing the food to one's possession and ownership (in other words, property).

Eating is a pretty universal part of the natural environment.

[Seth]

Seth comes out with all this shit about property, without the slightest idea of what it actually means.

If he thinks taxation is theft, then he's firmly put himself in the loony bracket. Again.
Because how the fuck will America defend itself against Russian or Chinese nukes, without taxation?

So taxation is theft, if it's spent on something HE disagrees with. That's the loony bracket, right there.
Other loonies might think it's theft to spend their tax money on nukes.
Everyone who pays taxes is being robbed, of the portion that goes on stuff they don't like. In the world according to Seth.

But once you've paid your tax, what it's spent on is nothing to do with you.
Because it's NO LONGER YOUR PROPERTY !!

You can vote, or stand for office, or campaign, to try to influence the spending. But that's all.

Fallacious appeal to common practice as a rhetorical evasion.

What's stolen remains the property of the original owner is a universal legal principle. Just because you can convince government thugs to do your robbery for you doesn't change the nature of the crime or the title to the property.

[Seth]

I'm not derailing anything. If you don't like the system of the country you are living in, depart the country. Sitting there complaining about it but continuing to take part in the thing you are complaining about seems rather.. I'm not sure. Childish. Like a kid moaning to mummy about having to eat his sprouts, but knows in reality he has to just shut up and eat them or he doesn't get any ice cream. Adults seem to grow out of that and just knuckle down and get on with it, you know?

No? It's not a question of morality at all. I don't have to justify anything to you. I didn't make the law.

If you want my opinion. It would be immoral not to tax those who can afford it to assist people who need help. With so few people controlling so much of the wealth, on a planet of 7 billion people it is a necessity to redistribute that wealth so they can have a bearable life. Because you know, we are a civilized and humane society. Unfortunately, for you, every country in the world has that same opinion. If that means that Seths jimmies have to be rustled, well, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Which leaves you with 2 options.

1, Suck it up.

2, Find an atoll and create Sethland.

This is quite literally nothing more than a simplistic utilitarian "might makes right" "love it or leave it" asinine argument that, if I made it by saying that government should shoot YOU in the head for proposing theft you would bitch and scream like a three year old about. Just as every other socialist on earth you dare not even look at the morality of your behavior because you intuitively know that it's wrong and immoral to take what someone else has worked for without their permission just so you can be more comfortable.

Nope.

Yup.

[Seth]

like every single socialist I've ever encountered you know damned well you can't morally and ethically justify redistributive socialist theft.

Well, we can. You just don't like the answers.

It's almost as though people have different opinions from you, isn't it.

Weird.

You don't have an answer, you have an appeal to common practice fallacy, that's it. You simply cannot make a valid moral or ethical argument for taking by force what someone else has worked to obtain. The only argument you can make, that any socialist has EVER made, from Karl Marx right down to you, is that it's "unfair" for someone else to have more than you do, so it's justifiable to take it from them and redistribute it to suit your fancy.

That doesn't begin to be a moral argument, it's pure initiation of force, unapologetically so, which if turned against YOU would have you shrieking in livid fury.

Sorry, but your comfort and convenience don't justify thieving my property from me and I will defend my property with force, up to and including lethal force against those who would try to rob me of what's mine. If that means you starve to death, so fucking what? Who cares? Not my concern and the world will be a better place without you and your ilk. You're just a replaceable cog in the Marxist machine anyway, to be used up and disposed of at the pleasure of your Marxist masters, so YOUR bleating about the "needs" of the seething proletarian masses is just so much evasive drivel.

I doubt you even know what a valid moral or ethical argument is, and I'm completely certain you cannot construct one. No socialist can or ever will.

Seth, shut the fuck up about morals.

Snow Leopard, go fuck yourself.

I don't think you would know what morals or ethics were even if they came up and smacked you in the face so that's a completely pointless path to go down. At least try to think of something that has a little substance for me to read at least, while you're boring the tits off of me with your evasive bollocks.

Answer the question or fuck off. And go fuck yourself a second time.

And guess what, if you don't like paying taxes, so fucking what. Tough shit. Who cares, stop and ask yourself, WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK. Sure as shit ain't my concern tough guy. As I said, if it knots your panties that much. Leave the fucking country. I guaran-fucking-tee you that NO ONE is going to stop you from doing so. And NO ONE will lament your departure.

I'd rather watch the steam boil out of your ears. It's fun to watch dependent class asshats get all steamed up at the idea that they might not get to suck at the public teat.

Your childish bitching of meaningless verbal vomit changes nothing. Just like all libertarians you need to put on your big boy pants and suck it up like adult. I thought in the 4 years I was gone you might have used that time to construct a more reasoned attitude to life rather than TEH GUBBERMINT BE STEALIN MA MONEH PA! GIT MA GUN! It's SO embarrassing.

Go fuck yourself again.

So in the end unfortunately no, you won't be defending your property with up to and including lethal force, because, DUN DA DA DUN. It's not theft. So all the denim dungaree wearing, spittoon polishing, red neck DON'T TREAD ON ME tiresome bluster is for.. naught. All mouth and no trousers as we say. You'd just go to jail for not following the law. Same as you would for breaking any other law of the country you choose to reside in of your own free will. And for being a murderer in the process.

More evasion. Just proves what I said, dependent class fuckwits get very intimidated and afraid and lash out in anger when someone speaks the truth to them and causes them to examine their prejudices and wrongdoing.

If you want to martyr yourself and go out in a blaze of glory standing up for what you believe in. Get on with it.

If it comes to it, I'd rather martyr you to Marxism thanks.

[mistermack]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is. And you're quite typically evading the question yet again like every socialist on earth is forced to do because not one swinging dick or drizzly cunt among you can make a supportable moral or ethical argument for that theft.

Funny how the argument for that ''theft'' is made, and supported, and voted for, at every election in a great many countries round the world. All those millions of people do exactly that, and put their money and their votes where their mouth is. They would kick out any party that tried to abolish it.

It's only the loony right wing, in a loony right-wing country, that actually see it your way.

[Seth]

Anyway, we who live in countries with some form of national health care don't give a flying continental fuck what selfish arseholes from less fortunate countries might "think" about how we run our affairs...

That doesn't make you immune to being criticized as a common thief. The common thief always rationalizes his criminality by telling himself that he deserves what he wants more than the person who labored to earn it. But that's just a delusional rationalization, which is what all of Marxism is...a flatly insane delusional mental defect afflicting a large number of people who, for the betterment of the species, need to be culled from the gene pool.

Affects David Attenborough narration voice.

Here, in the depths of rationalia, we see a wild and untamed species of Libertarianus Fuckwiticus. A these are a truly rare sight these days. These wild, aggressive, irrational untamed creatures are an endangered species due to their inability to co-exist within the realms of the civilized society that has blossomed around them. The main defense mechanism of Libertarianus Fuckwiticus is to defecate in a bucket and throw it's own feces at opponents while claiming victory.

Note this species incredible ability to be completely cut off from reality. Indeed, we have just witnessed some classic psychopathic behavior that defines this species. Observe how this particular specimen went beyond it's means attempting to argue from a stance of morality and ethics, then proceeds to claim all those that disagree with his view point should be murdered in some sort of mass genocide.

A truly fascinating subject

More rhetorical posturing from a socialist who is afraid to even examine his own policies lest he discover how morally and ethically corrupt he really is.

[Seth]

There is no better argument for stopping direct redistributive taxation other than that it's theft, because it is. And you're quite typically evading the question yet again like every socialist on earth is forced to do because not one swinging dick or drizzly cunt among you can make a supportable moral or ethical argument for that theft.

Funny how the argument for that ''theft'' is made, and supported, and voted for, at every election in a great many countries round the world. All those millions of people do exactly that, and put their money and their votes where their mouth is. They would kick out any party that tried to abolish it.

It's only the loony right wing, in a loony right-wing country, that actually see it your way.

I'm SO glad I don't live in a "democracy" where the tyrannical masses can vote away my fundamental rights.

Pity about your place. Now be a good little proletarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like liberty.

[mistermack]

I'm SO glad I don't live in a "democracy" where the tyrannical masses can vote away my fundamental rights.

Pity about your place. Now be a good little proletarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like liberty.

Seth's losing his rag.
You're a sorry excuse for a troll.

[Seth]

I'm SO glad I don't live in a "democracy" where the tyrannical masses can vote away my fundamental rights.

Pity about your place. Now be a good little proletarian schlub and shut the fuck up about things you don't understand...like liberty.

Seth's losing his rag.
You're a sorry excuse for a troll.

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

[mistermack]

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

Not something I would brag about anyway.
Where do you place yours, just out of interest?

[JimC]

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

Not something I would brag about anyway.
Where do you place yours, just out of interest?

Seth is a Master Baiter...

[Seth]

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

Not something I would brag about anyway.
Where do you place yours, just out of interest?

Far above yours.

[mistermack]

And yet you rise to the bait each and every time. Doesn't say much in favor of your intellectual capabilities.

Not something I would brag about anyway.
Where do you place yours, just out of interest?

Far above yours.

Well it should be in good condition. From what I've seen, it's practically unused.