Fascism Pays in the UK

[rainbow]

Answer the question.
As a "Libertarian", why do you feel they should not be free to do so?

They should be...in their own nation. If they wish to emigrate in order to seek their fortune in another country, then they can only do so under Libertarian principles if they do not impose involuntary burdens on the people of the country they wish to emigrate to in the process. Any involuntary burdens.

As a Libertarian you should know that borders are created by GOVERNMENTS.

Did you think that God created the borders?

[Hermit]

As a Libertarian you should know that borders are created by GOVERNMENTS.

Did you think that God created the borders?

Seth is not a libertarian. Never has been. He's a Mercantilist.

[MrJonno]

That's the point of the incentive. The burden is on the asylum-seeker to prove their case, and the obligation of the government agent is to make sure that adequate proofs are given and that the request is not simply a sham, as many such request are.

In a civilized country where sending back in error an asylum seeker may lead to their death the burden if on the civilized country to prove the asylum seeker is lying which is costly and time consuming ( like trials)

By the way Seth if I wanted to come to the US and claim political asylum because the UK denied me my inalienable right to own an AK47 would you support me

[Seth]

Answer the question.
As a "Libertarian", why do you feel they should not be free to do so?

They should be...in their own nation. If they wish to emigrate in order to seek their fortune in another country, then they can only do so under Libertarian principles if they do not impose involuntary burdens on the people of the country they wish to emigrate to in the process. Any involuntary burdens.

As a Libertarian you should know that borders are created by GOVERNMENTS.

Did you think that God created the borders?

Did you know that people created governments?

[rainbow]

Answer the question.
As a "Libertarian", why do you feel they should not be free to do so?

They should be...in their own nation. If they wish to emigrate in order to seek their fortune in another country, then they can only do so under Libertarian principles if they do not impose involuntary burdens on the people of the country they wish to emigrate to in the process. Any involuntary burdens.

As a Libertarian you should know that borders are created by GOVERNMENTS.

Did you think that God created the borders?

Did you know that people created governments?

People that want to control other people, not Libertarians surely?

[Seth]

Answer the question.
As a "Libertarian", why do you feel they should not be free to do so?

They should be...in their own nation. If they wish to emigrate in order to seek their fortune in another country, then they can only do so under Libertarian principles if they do not impose involuntary burdens on the people of the country they wish to emigrate to in the process. Any involuntary burdens.

As a Libertarian you should know that borders are created by GOVERNMENTS.

Did you think that God created the borders?

Did you know that people created governments?

People that want to control other people, not Libertarians surely?

Some people need to be controlled. Others need collective guidance. Libertarianism doesn't eschew government completely, it merely requires that it be as small and powerless as humanly possible while still achieving the legitimate duties of government while respecting to the maximum degree possible consistent with ordered liberty the individual rights of its citizens.

You're making the common ignorant mistake of confusing anarchy with Libertarianism.

[rainbow]

Some people need to be controlled. Others need collective guidance. Libertarianism doesn't eschew government completely, it merely requires that it be as small and powerless as humanly possible while still achieving the legitimate duties of government while respecting to the maximum degree possible consistent with ordered liberty the individual rights of its citizens.

Wishy washy. No wonder you find it difficult to defend.
What exactly are the "legitimate duties of government"?

You're making the common ignorant mistake of confusing anarchy with Libertarianism.

Nope.

Strawman.
Fail.

[MrJonno]

Some people need to be controlled. Others need collective guidance. Libertarianism doesn't eschew government completely, it merely requires that it be as small and powerless as humanly possible while still achieving the legitimate duties of government while respecting to the maximum degree possible consistent with ordered liberty the individual rights of its citizens.

That basically covers any form of government/society ever invented ie its so vague its meaningless

[pErvinalia]

Home Office staff rewarded with gift vouchers for fighting off asylum cases

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... WEML6619I2

Knowing that one will not be treated fairly in the UK, means that I'll not be travelling there while the present Fascist Regime is in power.

You seem to be laboring under the mistaken impression that the UK, or any other country, is under some obligation to take in the cast-offs of other nations.

Here's a suggestion: If you don't like the way things are where you live, then go fix it, don't run away and expect anybody else to assume the burden of caring for you.

They are under a moral, if not legal, obligation if they have signed up to the relevant international conventions.

[pErvinalia]

Nothing against the old notion of asylum where you took refuge in a country close enough by to have shared cultural values, or a small number of 'exotics' being saved as a token gesture in other cases. What is happening today appears closer to mass migration,

Bollocks. Lebanon hosts a number of Syrian refugees in the order of large fractions of their (Lebanon's) population (can't be arsed looking it up; but it's something like 25%). We are talking millions of refugees. How many millions of refugees did the UK take in in the last few years?

[MrJonno]

The UK does not have an immigration problem but it does have a significant % of its native population being complete fascists.