Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by cronus » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:35 am

Does the Amazon have to burn down in order to prove the 'vapour' a reality? Sometimes you fly by the instruments.... :tup:
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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by pErvinalia » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:35 am

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Pure hyperbolic nonsense.
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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by Seth » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:46 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Seth, tl;dr. The first two sentences of your reply show that you once again have no clue what we are debating. I mean, lol, you claim that it's horseshit that there's not many studies confirming contamination for existing wells etc. THAT'S YOUR OWN FUCKING POINT. :doh:
No, what I'm telling you is that you're proposing a false dilemma.
No, what you are doing is calling YOUR OWN POINT horseshit, dumbass. :doh:
No, you only think so in your deeply-disturbed little mind.
I'd check your own water for contamination, man. Something is going wrong at your end of the internet. Regarding the point about fracking chemicals and contamination, that's one issue, and the other issue that you even allude to is methane in the water. YET AGAIN I have to make the point that no one can confirm anything without baseline studies. How fucking hard is this to grok?!? How the fuck can you say that the methane has always been in their water when THERE AREN'T ANY PREVIOUS STUDIES OF THEIR WATER?!?


Um, problem is that there are usually plenty of "studies" of residential well water supplies. For example, in Colorado you have to have your well tested for purity and contaminants after you complete it and before a certificate of occupancy is issued for the house, and the Health Department offers low-cost water testing for both bacteria and contaminants on request. You fill up a little bottle after following the directions and pay eight bucks to the county and they send you back a complete report, which includes things like arsenic, heavy metals and petrochemicals. I had mine tested about every five years, and twice they detected biological impurities caused by a leaky well-head seal and the fact that the water table often rose high enough to cover the well head completely in the well pit. I eventually had an extended casing welded and grouted to the original casing, which was installed back in the 1920s, to raise the well head above the ground surface to prevent contaminated pit water from flowing into the well. If you don't pay attention to the water quality in your well water, you're an idiot who gets what he deserves.
So you have anecdotal evidence of these reports. Great. Maybe you could list these "studies" that you say are plentiful.
Go call your local health department and ask them what the monitoring rules are for wells in NZ.
And if you think determining if there's methane in your water that wasn't there before is difficult, I suggest you are utterly ignorant of what happens when natural gas contaminates a water supply. It ain't rocket science you see. You can smell it and taste it and even see it in turbidity of the water that has changed from before, and if it's severe you can set a match to it and watch the methane burn.
No shit, Sherlock. That's why the people KNOW that their water has been contaminated by nearby wells. It never used to smell and light on fire. Now it does. Apparently not so simple for you to understand.
Soooooo....why do we need a "baseline study" to determine that something has changed? We know that already. The "baseline study" is in fact all the years of historic use by the well owners during which the water was NOT contaminated by natural gas. The question then becomes a more complex one of "how and why did natural gas begin leaking into the water table?" The answer to that is far, far more complex than just laying blame on "fracking," and it requires credible scientific evidence that the leakage was caused by the drilling and not by natural events.
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Wrong. I just demand critically robust scientific evidence that the "environmental damage" is actually the result of oil and gas exploration and drilling rather than a natural process caused by sub-surface geological events, which happens to be the case in most instances. You prefer to simply assume that man is responsible for things that most of the time have natural causes. That's neither rational nor reasonable, it's pure hyperbolic sophistry and witch-hunting. It's a matter of religious belief to you that "big oil" or "Corporations" are responsible for all the environmental ills of the world, whether or not there is any actual evidence of that being the case.

I'm rather more skeptical.
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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by Seth » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:48 am

Scrumple wrote:Does the Amazon have to burn down in order to prove the 'vapour' a reality? Sometimes you fly by the instruments.... :tup:
Not without credible scientific evidence that the instruments are accurate and your interpretation of the data is correct....
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:38 am

I thought science was a giant one-world marxist conspiracy theory, Seth?
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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by macdoc » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:27 pm

Not without credible scientific evidence that the instruments are accurate and your interpretation of the data is correct....
oh that's rich...evidence based on science only suitable when it fits the ideology... :roll:
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Post by Seth » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:59 pm

macdoc wrote:
Not without credible scientific evidence that the instruments are accurate and your interpretation of the data is correct....
oh that's rich...evidence based on science only suitable when it fits the ideology... :roll:
Hey, you're the one who worships science. I'm merely holding you to your own standards.
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Re: Half of the UK 'suitable for fracking', report says

Post by Seth » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:02 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:I thought science was a giant one-world marxist conspiracy theory, Seth?
Probably not, but global warming climate science is most certainly controlled by Marxist Progressives in order to produce the desired data and conclusions irrespective of their actual scientific accuracy in order to facilitate Marxist Progressive political and social goals having nothing whatever to do with global climate change.
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:mrgreen: Vintage Seth.

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Post by macdoc » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:49 am

That was not the only reason...there were questions as to permission from other parties. to make the data public.
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