UK anti-Muslim hate crime soars, police figures show

[Seth]

I don't mind the sunies but I'm wary of the shites. Don't know anything about either but I'm going on a gut instinct here.

I prefer myself a moderate shi'ite,

Personally I prefer a good, healthy but not over-firm shi'ite. Starts the day off just right.

or even an Ismaelian to a howling wahhabi ... and those are fully sunnite.

I don't care for wahhbi on my sushi, and I'm not a fan of Moby Dick either, no matter how sunni his disposition.

[HomerJay]

The soaring figures could be, in part, simply a classic example of higher reporting rates, and/or police forces being forced, for PC reasons, to treat any minor and vaguely anti-muslim comment more seriously than before...

That definitely and the unbalanced nature of the Law, that regulates targetting specific groups, which means that crimes against muslims are hate crimes but crimes by muslims are not (unless they target a specific group, like da Joos).

[Seth]

The soaring figures could be, in part, simply a classic example of higher reporting rates, and/or police forces being forced, for PC reasons, to treat any minor and vaguely anti-muslim comment more seriously than before...

That definitely and the unbalanced nature of the Law, that regulates targetting specific groups, which means that crimes against muslims are hate crimes but crimes by muslims are not (unless they target a specific group, like da Joos).

The simple solution to that is that the "group" specifically targeted by Muslim is comprised of everybody who's not a Muslim, which just happens to be the actual, factual case.

Just define the victims as "non-Muslims" and be done with it.

[JimC]

The soaring figures could be, in part, simply a classic example of higher reporting rates, and/or police forces being forced, for PC reasons, to treat any minor and vaguely anti-muslim comment more seriously than before...

That definitely and the unbalanced nature of the Law, that regulates targetting specific groups, which means that crimes against muslims are hate crimes but crimes by muslims are not (unless they target a specific group, like da Joos).

The simple solution to that is that the "group" specifically targeted by Muslim is comprised of everybody who's not a Muslim, which just happens to be the actual, factual case.

Just define the victims as "non-Muslims" and be done with it.

Well, when their motivation comes from religious fundamentalism, sure. However, as far as other crimes go, muslims will probably be no more or no less represented that non-muslims.

Except possibly being under-represented in public drunkenness...

[Svartalf]

I don't mind the sunies but I'm wary of the shites. Don't know anything about either but I'm going on a gut instinct here.

I prefer myself a moderate shi'ite,

Personally I prefer a good, healthy but not over-firm shi'ite. Starts the day off just right.

or even an Ismaelian to a howling wahhabi ... and those are fully sunnite.

I don't care for wahhbi on my sushi, and I'm not a fan of Moby Dick either, no matter how sunni his disposition.

Thanks for your constructive comments

[Audley Strange]

I don't see how leaving a pig's head outside a mosque can be considered a crime more than littering. Islam should not be a protected group anyway. If they don't like how they are treated, they know where the fucking door is. Minorities issues are minor.

If you don't like the British pluralistic society, well you know where the fucking door is.

I do like our society, I am quite happy with much of it, however I do not think a trivial number of people who allow their lives to revolve round one book should be given any special treatment or start making demands, especially when many of their demands are anathema to the society. Makes no difference to me whether they are Muslims or not nor do I think such whining fucks represent Islam in the U.K.

[Hermit]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

Oh. look at what Jesus said to his flock: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." [Luke 19:27] He was really full of love and forgiveness, wasn't he?

"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you." [Matthew 11:21-24]

"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." [Matthew 11:31-32]

And as for the "New Covenant", the alleged rejection of the cruel, jealous god of the old testament: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." [Matthew 5:17-18]

[Warren Dew]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

"The gospel according to Luke" sounds like the word of Luke to me, not the word of God.

[JimC]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

"The gospel according to Luke" sounds like the word of Luke to me, not the word of God.

Sure, it does to you, and also the majority of mainstream christians today. However, in much of the past, and in the minds of christian fundamentalists today, the bible is the literal word of god. Given the evil, despotic rants of the Old Testament, plus those parts of the NT that Hermit quoted, believing that they are the absolute truth certainly qualifies as extremism to me...

And I think modern mainstream christians have their head in the sand about the entire biblical message. The contortions they have to make to only draw from it the "gentle Jesus meek and mild" crap would be amusing if they weren't so transparently the result of egregious self-deception...

[Hermit]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

"The gospel according to Luke" sounds like the word of Luke to me, not the word of God.

You know that, and I know that, but "Christianity traditionally places a high value on the four canonical gospels, which it considers to be a revelation from God and central to its belief system. Christians teach that the four canonical gospels are an accurate and authoritative representation of the life of Jesus." And that's the Gospel Truth.

[Seth]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

Extremism is not what you believe or think, it's what you DO in the name of those beliefs or thoughts that makes you an extremist.

If Muslims practiced their religion like the Amish practice theirs, we wouldn't be having these problems.

But they don't, and therein lies the extremism.

[JimC]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

Extremism is not what you believe or think, it's what you DO in the name of those beliefs or thoughts that makes you an extremist.

If Muslims practiced their religion like the Amish practice theirs, we wouldn't be having these problems.

But they don't, and therein lies the extremism.

I agree that ultimately, it's actions that are the signature of extremism. However, fundamentalist interpretation of "Holy Books" make violent actions in defence of the writings more likely.

[pErvinalia]

Most muslims do, Seth. The one's who don't, though, are definitely a problem. Seems to me that the UK is heading for more religious problems in this regard in the future. Religion really does poison everything.

[Hermit]

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

In the same way that if you believe that the Bible is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist. And why not believe that the Bible is the word of God? I mean doesn't it say so in the Bible?

Extremism is not what you believe or think, it's what you DO in the name of those beliefs or thoughts that makes you an extremist.

Uhm, did you even read the statement your post purports to be a reply to, or are you just agreeing with it?

[pErvinalia]

You said "if you believe... you are an extremist". Seth said "Extremism is not what you believe or think, it's what you DO"

He's clearly not agreeing with you.