UK anti-Muslim hate crime soars, police figures show

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013 ... rime-soars

UK anti-Muslim hate crime soars, police figures show

Hate crimes against Muslims have soared in the UK this year, figures show.

Hundreds of anti-Muslim offences were carried out across the country in 2013, with Britain's biggest force, the Metropolitan police, recording 500 Islamophobic crimes.

Many forces reported a surge in the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes after the murder of soldier Lee Rigby by two Islamic extremists in Woolwich, south-east London, in May.

But the figures could be much higher as nearly half of the 43 forces in England and Wales did not reveal how many hate crimes had targeted Muslims. Some forces admitted they did not always record the faith of a religious hate-crime victim.

Freedom of Information requests were sent by the Press Association to every police force in England and Wales. Of the 43 forces, 24 provided figures on the number of anti-Muslim crimes and incidents recorded.

Tell Mama, a group which monitors anti-Muslim incidents, said it had dealt with 840 cases since April, with the number expected to rise to more than 1,000 by the end of March. This compared with 582 anti-Muslim cases it dealt with from March 2012 to March 2013.

Fiyaz Mujhal, director of Faith Matters, which runs the Tell Mama project, said the reaction to the murder of Rigby had caused the number of Islamophobic crimes to jump significantly.

"The far right groups, particularly the EDL [English Defence League], perniciously use the internet and social media to promote vast amounts of online hate," he said.

Mujhal said tougher sentencing was needed to tackle Islamophobic crime and that guidelines by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to monitor social media were not fit for purpose.

"They raised the bar of prosecution significantly. Now, unless there is a direct threat to somebody on Twitter or Facebook, the CPS will not prosecute. The CPS is just plainly out of sync with reality.

"We also need more robust sentencing. In one case, a pig's head was left outside a mosque and the perpetrator came away with a community sentence. When you target a mosque, you are targeting the whole community."

Tell Mama has called for police forces to improve monitoring of Islamophobic crimes.

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[Audley Strange]

The far right groups, particularly the EDL [English Defence League], perniciously use the internet and social media to promote vast amounts of online hate," he said.

Hah like it's solely far right groups like the English Diddy League that do that. It's practically ubiquitous.

I don't see how leaving a pig's head outside a mosque can be considered a crime more than littering. Islam should not be a protected group anyway. If they don't like how they are treated, they know where the fucking door is. Minorities issues are minor.

[mistermack]

The general perception is that the muslims tolerate the extremists. And I think it's accurate.

When did you last hear of some would-be terrorist getting shopped by his fellow muslims?
And what you hear about muslims from around the world rubs off on their reputation here.

Girls getting shot for going to school reflects on all muslims, not just the taliban. If they bang on about what happens to ''fellow-muslims'', then the consequence is that they get tarred with the same brush as their ''fellow muslims''.

[Audley Strange]

The general perception is that the muslims tolerate the extremists. And I think it's accurate.

When did you last hear of some would-be terrorist getting shopped by his fellow muslims?
And what you hear about muslims from around the world rubs off on their reputation here.

Girls getting shot for going to school reflects on all muslims, not just the taliban. If they bang on about what happens to ''fellow-muslims'', then the consequence is that they get tarred with the same brush as their ''fellow muslims''.

I agree, sadly, because it should not be the case. There are plenty of (if not most), Muslims who are disgusted by this but recognise it is an internal problem in which other countries and ideologies are caught in the blast radius.

Still you're right, don't fucking whine about a pigs head on a mosque when your "brothers" take great delight in blowing them up back home.

[Tyrannical]

Ah, street level Democracy railing against Muslim immigration

[Audley Strange]

Ah, street level Democracy railing against Muslim immigration

Not at all. I'm railing against narrow minded halfwits making special demands from the majority when they themselves won't budge an inch. Y'know, like every political group or religion.

[NineBerry]

When did you last hear of some would-be terrorist getting shopped by his fellow muslims?

A week ago.

The general perception is that the muslims tolerate the extremists. And I think it's accurate.

And atheists tolerate the extremists. As in the post above yours.

I don't see how leaving a pig's head outside a mosque can be considered a crime more than littering. Islam should not be a protected group anyway. If they don't like how they are treated, they know where the fucking door is. Minorities issues are minor.

If you don't like the British pluralistic society, well you know where the fucking door is.

[mistermack]

When did you last hear of some would-be terrorist getting shopped by his fellow muslims?

A week ago.

Really? I certainly never have. But I'm sure they would, for a price. That doesn't count.

The general perception is that the muslims tolerate the extremists. And I think it's accurate.

And atheists tolerate the extremists. As in the post above yours.

That's not extremist. Did anybody get killed, or injured?
It's just pretty stupid. It's insulting their delusions. If they weren't deluded, it wouldn't bother them.

[NineBerry]

Really? I certainly never have. But I'm sure they would, for a price. That doesn't count.

[...]
But Choudary was shouted down by a passing Muslim who insisted that the self-appointed spokesman of Islam did not represent his faith. [...]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-islam-b ... ary-530056

The general perception is that the muslims tolerate the extremists. And I think it's accurate.

And atheists tolerate the extremists. As in the post above yours.

That's not extremist. Did anybody get killed, or injured?
It's just pretty stupid. It's insulting their delusions. If they weren't deluded, it wouldn't bother them.

Extremism doesn't start with murder. I count placing dead animals carcasses on other people's community places as extremism.

[NineBerry]

The article lacks information on what kinds of crimes were recorded. The article itself only speaks of threats on online sites or the incident with the pig heads. But above the article there is a picture with a petrol bomb attack. So the question is how big is the number of the several categories of crimes. Online threats are a different category than direct personal threats. And exploding bombs is a whole different category again.

[mistermack]

Nineberry, you're 'avin a larf.

Shouting at someone in the street isn't shopping them to the police for planning terrorism.
You don't even know it was a muslim who shouted.
Shit example.

And your definition of extremism covers all muslims. Read the Koran, why don't you?

[NineBerry]

You're 'avin a larf.

Going to the police to report some crime by a close person is something you will often not read about in the newspaper. The police will make sure to protect its sources.

When the guy says "You are not representing my faith" he is a Muslim. And that's what the report quotes him with.

How do you know I haven't read the quran? Have you? All of it? Have you read tafsirs? How many by how many different schools?

[NineBerry]

[...]
The New America Foundation, in conjunction with Syracuse University’s Maxwell School of Public Policy, keeps a running tally of post-9/11 cases in which Muslims have tipped off the government to terror plots. So does the Muslim Public Affairs Council. The MPAC list includes more than 20 cases. The NAF list has more than 40. Look through the cases, and you’ll see every kind of story. The wife who catches her husband shopping for military gear. The father who tells the Department of Homeland Security that his son is becoming dangerously radical. The mosque leaders who report a worshiper’s threatening behavior to the FBI.

The informers take risks. "I cannot give you my name because I fear for my life,” one writes. But they come forward, again and again and again and again. They even contact the FBI when the suspicious character is its own planted impostor.

And these are just the known cases. There are others you’ll never hear about, because the source or the government wants them kept secret, or because, in the end, no arrest was necessary.

[...]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... s_can.html

[mistermack]

The police always complain that they get no inside info from the muslim community.
Tip-offs are their best weapon, from the rest of society.
I personally have my doubts about what you linked. It stinks of politics, rather than fact. And contains no example. It just says that there are examples. Big difference. Also, it's not the UK.

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.
I'm afraid that you've talked yourself into a corner.

[NineBerry]

The police always complain that they get no inside info from the muslim community.

Really. Where? This stinks of politics, rather than fact. And contains no example.

I personally have my doubts about what you linked. It stinks of politics, rather than fact. And contains no example. It just says that there are examples. Big difference. Also, it's not the UK.

Hint: In the original article, a lot of the words are links to sources.

And if you believe that the Koran is the word of god, that certainly makes you an extremist.

Oh really. In what way?

I'm afraid that you've talked yourself into a corner.

As long as it is a nice comfy corner with lots of snacks, I don't mind.