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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by Seth » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:06 am

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You're not getting it. I've got plenty of rational rebuttals. I just get sick of repeatedly having to explain simple points to people.
Did it ever occur to you that it's your points that are simplistic, not our understanding of the subject?
And I don't think I should be "entitled" to hurl insults at people
Then why do you do it constantly.
I'm happy to wear any suspensions. I just do it because I get sick of dealing with certain people.
Then why don't you just fuck off somewhere else instead?
So if you get tired having people "miss the mark" all the time you might want to ponder on whether or not it's your mark and/or your understanding that's faulty rather than it being that everyone else on the planet is intellectually inferior to you and therefore a valid target for scorn and insult.
It's because it's always the same type of person - old white conservatives. That's the pattern, not me. Most people understand these simple points.
Most people are simpletons.
Old white conservatives are largely incapable of thinking outside their tight little moralistic boxes.
Actually I suspect they think the same of you, and fact is they are more often right than you are.
Fuck em. They are ruining this world and they can all die of cancer for all I care.

Ipse dixit, quod erat demonstrandum.

If you're bored with the responses here and don't want to participate in reasoned debate why don't you just fuck off and do something else for a while. Go wash some laundry or mow the grass, because you look like a complete ass when you abandon reason for invective because you've run out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same time.
I prefer to belittle the likes of you. It's the next most rewarding thing to changing minds and educating people.
To a simpleton I imagine the former would be rewarding indeed. To a rational person it's just bad manners. As to the latter, perhaps someday you'll find some drooling microcephalic idiot who will actually be educated by your blather. So far no joy though. You might want to lower your sights a bit and pander to ignorant hillbillies in the hollers of Kentucky, where your level of discourse might (and I emphasize might...) be a step up from shooting up Oxy and brewing moonshine. Have a nice trip. Write if you get work.

Personally, I think you have amply demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to formulate a cogent rational response to a valid discussion or point. My opinion is based on observing your "rebuttals" over an exceedingly long time and almost never seeing any scholarship or thought being applied to your posts.

Psychologically speaking, this sort of defensive behavior is usually indicative of a serious personality deficit, but then again it could also be symptomatic of mere trollery.
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by Seth » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:07 am

rEvolutionist wrote:I deal in science, not faith, Seth. But you are a god botherer, so it's no surprise which one you deal in.
You deal in invective, hyperbole, hypocrisy, pettifoggery, obfuscation, ignorance, misdirection, mendaciousness and lies. None of which has anything to do with science.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:11 am

And I'm a Marxists. You forgot that. :coffee:
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Post by Seth » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:14 am

rEvolutionist wrote:And I'm a Marxists. You forgot that. :coffee:
Did you forget to take your schizophrenia meds today?
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:25 am

You know, another genuine reason why I just give up and start belittling certain people is that I just don't have the energy or concentration span to maintain a long debate any more. I posted an update to my facebook page earlier today joking that I wanted to go chain myself to Parliament House gates, and when the media or anyone asks why, I'm going to reply with "I couldn't be bothered explaining". :hehe: But that pretty much sums it all up for me. I can barely be bothered explaining, and even when I and others do, so few people actually listen or give a fuck that it's all pointless. The world may as well fall in a screaming heap. It's the only thing that will make people wake up to the ills of our society.
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by FBM » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:48 am

I'm becoming more and more convinced that arguing/debating accomplishes practically nothing compared to the amount of time it takes up. It can be good intellectual exercise, but if you do it in the hopes of changing others' minds, it's cat herding.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:55 am

I think it can accomplish a gross saturation effect. That is, something to counter the one way socially acceptable narrative. People don't just get influenced by specific arguments (although, I've definitely changed peoples minds with my political debating on facebook), they also get influenced by the perceived value of a particular position. And that perceived value can be influenced by the pervasiveness of a position. That is, the more common it is to see an argument/position, the more likely people are going to accept it as not belonging to the fringe. That's why I keep piping up.
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by FBM » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:57 am

There is that. Humans are something of a herd animal. Anyway, I didn't mean to say that no one ever changes his/her mind as the result of a debate, only that the success rate is abysmal if you consider the amount of time and effort involved.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:01 am

Yeah, true. But it's about the only thing I can think of doing, other than rioting. And that's not going to do much good, and I'd get in trouble for it.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:16 am

I like to argue with dead philosophers. I most recently destroyed Socrates arguments from Crito. It was no trouble at all, everyone was convinced.

Crito is wonderful though, isn't it? I swear when I read that stuff I think that to argue well against them is to make yourself a better person. Of course I only imagine that I'm arguing well. :hehe:

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:19 am

What's "crito"?
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by FBM » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:25 am

One of Plato's works and one of the people involved in a debate, along with Socrates. I can't remember the topic of the debate exactly, but I do agree with Sean that it's a helluva lot more fun and just as productive to debate dead people. :tup:

Edit: Ah! Of course! The death one. Thanks, Sean.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:32 am

I'd totally pwn Socrates.
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Re: Saving the Internet from the NSA

Post by Sean Hayden » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:33 am

FBM wrote: Edit: Ah! Of course! The death one. Thanks, Sean.
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