Marine 'devastated' at sentence

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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by piscator » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:41 pm

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Scrumple wrote:Seems a waste of resources keeping him banged up for years when a summary discharge would have dealt with the issue. Unlikely he'd repeat the offence on the streets of the UK. The law is a ass I guess.
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Yep. And for the victim's family.
Of course he was an enemy, but if you give the impression you're unjust, it can only hurt your efforts in the long run.
Like the average Afghan is gonna be reading the international news and forming opinions.....according to Western thinking? He'd probably think it more unjust to lock the guy up given tribal loyalty as the top moral ace card. You are all out of your depth...go back to sleep? :coffee:



So you're good with torture, then? Because, last I heard, the main practical military reason against it is blowback.

I have a lot of sympathy for the poor guy who's job it is to go out day after day and walk around until some dickhead shoots at him. Regardless, the British military can't be seen as tolerating this behavior.
And they're not.

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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by cronus » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:48 pm

Best to remain objective. Try to avoid warzones. In a situation like that however I'd be sure to dispatch the cameraman first. :read:
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So you're good with torture, then? Because, last I heard, the main practical military reason against it is blowback.


The solution to blowback is good targeting on the first strike.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:21 am

Basically, we just need to kill everyone, just in case.
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Post by piscator » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:28 am

Just the Others.

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Post by JimC » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:52 am

piscator wrote:Just the Others.
They're the people that the voices in my head tell me are evil aliens, and must be exterminated, right?

piscator, you have shown me what I must do! :Jack:
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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by Warren Dew » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:30 am

mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.

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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by cronus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:33 am

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mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.
Can it be considered cold blood within twenty-four hours of close combat, though? I'd still be a little on edge for at least a week maybe two after bullet tennis.
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:35 am

JimC wrote:
piscator wrote:Just the Others.
They're the people that the voices in my head tell me are evil aliens, and must be exterminated, right?

piscator, you have shown me what I must do! :Jack:
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:36 am

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mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.
Can it be considered cold blood within twenty-four hours of close combat, though? I'd still be a little on edge for at least a week maybe two after bullet tennis.
Well, I'd be like that too, but we aren't soldiers. They are supposed to be trained to deal with this sort of thing. And as the judge said, most of them do (well, at least while they are there. PTSD kicks in when they get home..).
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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by cronus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:42 am

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mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.
Can it be considered cold blood within twenty-four hours of close combat, though? I'd still be a little on edge for at least a week maybe two after bullet tennis.
Well, I'd be like that too, but we aren't soldiers. They are supposed to be trained to deal with this sort of thing. And as the judge said, most of them do (well, at least while they are there. PTSD kicks in when they get home..).
Maybe most are better at hiding the bodies? :coffee:
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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by Seth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:17 am

Scrumple wrote:Maybe most are better at hiding the bodies? :coffee:
Or better at telling a squaddie "Turn that fucking GoPro off."

Or better at the "Three S's": Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up.
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Post by pErvinalia » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:04 am

yay for murder! :cheer:
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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by MrJonno » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:23 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.
The defence would have had a chance to put up a case of diminished responsibility/temporary insanity but looking a the video that didn't seem to be a option.

The fact the solder only got a recommend tariff of 10 years (probation for life) shows some sort of leniency has been shown, if it had been a random civilian it would have been a far higher sentence
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Re: Marine 'devastated' at sentence

Post by mistermack » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:04 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
mistermack wrote:The fact that you are wounded doesn't make you the enemy.
The fact that you were shooting at the marine moments before you got wounded does.

The issue in this case is whether it's okay to murder you in cold blood because you're an enemy, even after you get wounded.
The fact that you dumbly believe that that's what happened, when you weren't there, and have no actual facts to go on, reveals your mentality. Which is much the same as theirs, apparently.

This guy was hit when an Apache helicopter let rip on an area. Nobody has any proof that he shot at anybody. I haven't heard of any weapons or ammunition being found on him, either in court, or the press. My reasoning is, that means that they weren't there. Unless I hear solid evidence to the contrary.

Your reasoning seems to be, they shot him, therefore he must have been shooting at them. If you can call it reasoning.
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