Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post Reply
User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by FBM » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:00 pm

I was just thinking about something (ontology) and decided to look up the definition of 'matter'.
It is fair to say that in physics, there is no broad consensus as to an exact definition of matter, and the term "matter" usually is used in conjunction with some modifier.
And:
The quark-lepton building blocks interact through a number of fundamental forces, and are described by the Standard Model of particle physics (gravity so far included only classically; see quantum gravity and graviton).[12] Interactions are mediated by field quanta or force carriers, of which the W-boson and the photon are examples.[13] The interactions are not themselves building blocks, and consequently neither are their quanta. As one consequence, energy cannot always be related to matter: for example, photons possess energy (see Planck relation); however, photons commonly are distinguished from matter.[14] Also, mass cannot always be related to matter: certain particles are massive, such as the W-boson, but are not matter. Although the field quanta by themselves are not matter, in conjunction with a complex of building blocks like an atom or a hadron, they contribute to the invariant mass of the combination, for example, through a binding energy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter

(My emphasis in the latter quote)

After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
klr
(%gibber(who=klr, what=Leprageek);)
Posts: 32964
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:25 pm
About me: The money was just resting in my account.
Location: Airstrip Two
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by klr » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:02 pm

FBM wrote: ...

After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Yes, but now we know that we don't know. That's progress. :levi:
God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within organized religion. - Superintendent Chalmers

It's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cock-eyed! - Rex Banner

The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression. - Gary Larson

:mob: :comp: :mob:

User avatar
Mysturji
Clint Eastwood
Posts: 5005
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:08 pm
About me: Downloading an app to my necktop
Location: http://tinyurl.com/c9o35ny
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by Mysturji » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:10 pm

Does it really matter? :dono:
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
IDMD2
I am a twit.

User avatar
Bella Fortuna
Sister Golden Hair
Posts: 79685
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:45 am
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Location: Scotlifornia
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:10 pm

Mysturji wrote:Does it really matter? :dono:
I don't know. Let's fund that and find out.
Sent from my Bollocksberry using Crapatalk.
Image
Food, cooking, and disreputable nonsense: http://miscreantsdiner.blogspot.com/

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by FBM » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:14 pm

klr wrote:
FBM wrote: ...

After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Yes, but now we know that we don't know. That's progress. :levi:
Oh. Well, then. Shit. That's hard to argue with. :shifty:

But I won't let that stop me. :hehe:

I still think physicists ought to add a disclaimer to everything they publish: "We don't even know what is, but thanks for your tax dollars anyway! lol!" I mean, really. Don't most people assume that somebody somewhere knows what is? Are we not being kept in the dark about this monumental failure, this basic, incredibly simple yet unanswered question?
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Hermit
Posts: 25806
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:44 am
About me: Cantankerous grump
Location: Ignore lithpt
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:36 am

FBM wrote:After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Alternatively we could demand that the money be diverted to potentially more useful research projects. Solving the riddle of how many angels can dance on the head of a needle comes to mind, or a massive search for the location of Noah's ark.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by FBM » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:40 am

Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Alternatively we could demand that the money be diverted to potentially more useful research projects. Solving the riddle of how many angels can dance on the head of a needle comes to mind, or a massive search for the location of Noah's ark.
You think knowing what matter is would be useless?? :think:
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Hermit
Posts: 25806
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:44 am
About me: Cantankerous grump
Location: Ignore lithpt
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:42 am

FBM wrote:
Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Alternatively we could demand that the money be diverted to potentially more useful research projects. Solving the riddle of how many angels can dance on the head of a needle comes to mind, or a massive search for the location of Noah's ark.
You think knowing what matter is would be useless?? :think:
Oh, fuck! So sorry for forgetting the sarcasm tags. ;)
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by FBM » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:45 am

Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:
Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Alternatively we could demand that the money be diverted to potentially more useful research projects. Solving the riddle of how many angels can dance on the head of a needle comes to mind, or a massive search for the location of Noah's ark.
You think knowing what matter is would be useless?? :think:
Oh, fuck! So sorry for forgetting the sarcasm tags. ;)
:lol: Gotcha...

Or was that last post sarcasm? :? Shit...now I'm even more confused...
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

User avatar
Hermit
Posts: 25806
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:44 am
About me: Cantankerous grump
Location: Ignore lithpt
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:55 am

FBM wrote:
Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:
Seraph wrote:
FBM wrote:After all that money spent in basic science research, nobody knows what is. I want my money back. :nono:
Alternatively we could demand that the money be diverted to potentially more useful research projects. Solving the riddle of how many angels can dance on the head of a needle comes to mind, or a massive search for the location of Noah's ark.
You think knowing what matter is would be useless?? :think:
Oh, fuck! So sorry for forgetting the sarcasm tags. ;)
:lol: Gotcha...

Or was that last post sarcasm?
To find out, I suggest you apply for a research grant.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops. - Stephen J. Gould

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: Billions in research money and nobody knows? Refund, please.

Post by FBM » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:59 am

Seraph wrote: :sarcstart: To find out, I suggest you apply for a research grant. :sarcend:
:fix:

You're welcome.
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests