Does the Ends Justify the Means in This Situation?

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Would you barricade New York City?

Yes, I would. The lives of New York City are not worth risking the lives of the entire world.
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No, I wouldn't. It's wrong to trap people in New York City and let them die there alone.
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Does the Ends Justify the Means in This Situation?

Post by Foxy13 » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:46 pm

Important notice: Please read the following before casting a vote.

Very recently, I created a topic called Would You Torture a Baby to Death to End World Suffering? My goal was to discuss the topic and see people's reactions. Since then, I've come under fire for creating a question out of a situation that makes absolutely no sense. Of course the question was completely absurd, as that was my original intention. However, some people cannot seem to accept that the question I asked was a hypothetical one, and thus does not matter whether or not it makes any logical sense.

So, in this topic, I am going to attempt to create a new scenario that makes logical sense and is more realistic.
A person in New York City comes down with a deadly virus. This virus, called P1Z5, cannot be treated with antibiotics and there is no known vaccination. It kills the person infected in about two days, after draining them dry of all of their fluids. It is incredibly contagious; anyone who gets within thirty feet of an infected person catches it.

Soon, there is an outbreak in New York City and half the population is infected with the P1Z5 virus. It's spreading like fire and hundreds of people are dying on the streets. The ones who are not yet sick are rapidly leaving New York City so they can avoid dying. However, because of this, the virus is spreading to other parts of the country.

Imagine that you are the President of the United States. Someone calls you on the phone and says, like they do in all of the cool spy movies, "Mr. President, we have a situation, sir." You are given two choices. You can allow people to leave New York City and risk killing the world population, or you can send the army to barricade New York City and let everyone there die. Which one do you choose?

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Re: Does the Ends Justify the Means in This Situation?

Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:41 am

Foxy13 wrote:You are given two choices. You can allow people to leave New York City and risk killing the world population, or you can send the army to barricade New York City and let everyone there die. Which one do you choose?
That's one choice with two options.

Initially I meant to pick the second, thinking "Wow! A chance to kill 16 million Yanks! That's a no-brainer." Then I had a better idea: "What about the other 300 million US Americans?" :biggrin:
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Post by Kristie » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:47 am

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Foxy13 wrote:You are given two choices. You can allow people to leave New York City and risk killing the world population, or you can send the army to barricade New York City and let everyone there die. Which one do you choose?
That's one choice with two options.

Initially I meant to pick the second, thinking "Wow! A chance to kill 16 million Yanks! That's a no-brainer." Then I had a better idea: "What about the other 300 million US Americans?" :biggrin:
Surely we're not all that bad. :(
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Post by Hermit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:48 am

FIO wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Foxy13 wrote:You are given two choices. You can allow people to leave New York City and risk killing the world population, or you can send the army to barricade New York City and let everyone there die. Which one do you choose?
That's one choice with two options.

Initially I meant to pick the second, thinking "Wow! A chance to kill 16 million Yanks! That's a no-brainer." Then I had a better idea: "What about the other 300 million US Americans?" :biggrin:
Surely we're not all that bad. :(
Of course not. I am! :demon:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:04 am

If half of NYC is already infected, then there will already have been enough movement in and out of the city / country to make a world-wide pandemic inevitable.

The dilemma is therefore academic.
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Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:37 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:If half of NYC is already infected, then there will already have been enough movement in and out of the city / country to make a world-wide pandemic inevitable.

The dilemma is therefore academic.
A two day incubation period (I'm assuming, in the spirit of the OP that no symptoms are shown until leak leak *thud*) is VERY quick indeed. Ebola, for example, has an incubation period between 2-21 days, giving a MUCH greater chance of transmission.
This being the case, a world wide pandemic is not inevitable. (stop air traffic for 4+ days), since most goods are not transported by aircraft, that'd work, but I digress.

As to New York. Well, the key would be to cordon, contain, control and back track to patient zero as soon as was humanly possible. The same goes for ANY infected site and try to evacuate non-infected (a simple test would have to be developed) from those sites.
The real kicker would be to what happens after the the infection has passed. The secondary effects could possibly be worse than the infection. (16million dead is a lot of rotting biomass.)
Sorry NY, but there is not much of a choice. (unless, as I mentioned, a quick and effective test could be found.)

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Re: Does the Ends Justify the Means in This Situation?

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:40 am

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