White Paper on Scottish Independence

[Tyrannical]

I liked the "P.S., your dinner is in the cat part"

[rainbow]

That someone took effort to create that and thought that the best joke they could add saddens me greatly.

It saddens me greatly that it saddens you.

[Clinton Huxley]

Piece in the paper today opining that the citizens of the rest of the UK would have to be given a referendum to see if they wanted to be in a currency union with an independent Scotland. That would be interesting...

[Svartalf]

Yeah, I don't see Westminster agreeing to let an independent Scotland retain the Pound Sterling as a currency and to underwrite the BoS...

[mistermack]

I don't know what the betting is on a no vote at the moment.
I suspect that it's so odds-on, that you wouldn't get anything back. It must be a great bet otherwise, as everything that comes out makes it look worse and worse.
I can't see where the good news is going to come from.
Alex will change tack soon, and try to shoehorn in some type of third option, of more devolution. Or he'd like to, but probably can't now.
He's made a big mistake.

[ronmcd]

Piece in the paper today opining that the citizens of the rest of the UK would have to be given a referendum to see if they wanted to be in a currency union with an independent Scotland. That would be interesting...

Aye. Which paper was that?

[ronmcd]

Yeah, I don't see Westminster agreeing to let an independent Scotland retain the Pound Sterling as a currency and to underwrite the BoS...

"agreeing to let"?

Weird, I mistakenly thought Scotland entered into a union of equals with England, a union of Parliaments in 1707 forming a single kingdom, Great Britain. I didn't realise we were subsumed into greater England.

It's our currency. And it's our central bank.

[ronmcd]

Just when I thought I was out ... they pull me back in!

[Svartalf]

Yeah, I don't see Westminster agreeing to let an independent Scotland retain the Pound Sterling as a currency and to underwrite the BoS...

"agreeing to let"?

Weird, I mistakenly thought Scotland entered into a union of equals with England, a union of Parliaments in 1707 forming a single kingdom, Great Britain. I didn't realise we were subsumed into greater England.

It's our currency. And it's our central bank.

If you think the Sterling is controlled from Edimbra, get ready for a nasty shock should the referendum result in independence.

As for "union of equals", Holyrood never had its say about the union, when the effing Huns took power and Puppet anne agreed to the whole rigmarole

[mistermack]

"agreeing to let"?

Weird, I mistakenly thought Scotland entered into a union of equals with England, a union of Parliaments in 1707 forming a single kingdom, Great Britain. I didn't realise we were subsumed into greater England.
It's our currency. And it's our central bank.

Are you seriously suggesting that Scotland doesn't need the agreement of the rest of the UK to continue with a monetary union? That Scotland would be in a position to insist on it?
You've seem to have been following Alex for too long. His standards of truthfulness are beginning to rub off on you.

Westminster can simply say ''no thanks, we'll have our new pound, and you are welcome to have your own'' and there would be nothing he could do. Maybe go down on his knees and beg, I suppose, but that wouldn't look too good.

[ronmcd]

"agreeing to let"?

Weird, I mistakenly thought Scotland entered into a union of equals with England, a union of Parliaments in 1707 forming a single kingdom, Great Britain. I didn't realise we were subsumed into greater England.
It's our currency. And it's our central bank.

Are you seriously suggesting that Scotland doesn't need the agreement of the rest of the UK to continue with a monetary union? That Scotland would be in a position to insist on it?

No, I'm suggesting Scotland if independent would expect to be involved in negotiations over the assets and liabilities. Sterling is our currency as much as that of England Wales or NI, as asset we have all contributed to. And both sides will end up putting aside the political posturing of the campaign and securing agreements in the best interests of rUK and Scotland. A currency union might well be in the interests of both.

Still, if no assets, we can start with no liabilities.

[Jason]

Use bitcoins as your currency?

[Clinton Huxley]

The pound is the currency of the UK. The Gnats wish to leave the UK. Get your own currency, form your own Central Bank or join the the Euro. That's what a proper independent country would do. Why would an independent Scotland want England deciding its monetary policy?

[mistermack]

No, I'm suggesting Scotland if independent would expect to be involved in negotiations over the assets and liabilities. Sterling is our currency as much as that of England Wales or NI, as asset we have all contributed to. And both sides will end up putting aside the political posturing of the campaign and securing agreements in the best interests of rUK and Scotland. A currency union might well be in the interests of both.

Still, if no assets, we can start with no liabilities.

Is that you, Alex? You mimic his deceptive tactics. Nobody said the you couldn't BE INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS. You people have kicked that straw-man to death. But at the end of the negotiations, it's up to Westminster to decide if they want a monetary union or not. Scotland can ask. Alex can beg if he likes. But it's Westminster who decides.

You seem to be confusing asking with having a say. Alex has no say. He can only ask.
And that's what happens when you split. You can make all the decisions you like about what happens inside Scotland.
But you will have lost 100 percent of your say on what Westminster does.

And that in essence is what's wrong with splitting. You have no say whatsoever on what Westminster does.

At present, it's not just votes that Scotland wields. It's the right to be heard. A moral right to have Scotland's best interests kept to the fore, in UK government decisions.
When you split, you lose both.

[ronmcd]

Is that you, Alex?

I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!