"Knockout" game thug gets what he deserves

[Seth]

Thugs Picked the Wrong Dad to Target for Shameful ‘Knockout Game’ — He’s a Concealed-Carry Permit Holder, and He Used It
Nov. 21, 2013 2:31pm Dave Urbanski

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TheBlaze has been covering the frightening uptick in the so-called “knockout game,” in which thugs randomly target people and punch the unsuspecting victims in public for kicks.

Well, it’s taken an interesting turn in Lansing, Mich.

There it’s reportedly called “Point-em-out, Knock-em-out,” according to WILX-TV in Lansing, and the station said one incident didn’t turn out so well…for the attacker.
Knockout Game Thug Shot by Victim He Targeted in Lansing, Mich.

Examples of others playing the “knockout game.” (Image source: WILX-TV)
Knockout Game Thug Shot by Victim He Targeted in Lansing, Mich.

Examples of others playing the “knockout game.” (Image source: WILX-TV)

The incident actually happened in February but is now getting play because of the recent rash of attacks. On that day, the school day was over, and a father was waiting for a school bus to drop off his six-year-old girl.

“I saw the van circle twice and the second time three came out,” the victim told WILX, which didn’t reveal his identity out of concern for his safety. “I didn’t suspect anything. I hadn’t any enemies, or any reason to believe that they would be looking or doing anything to me.”

Marvell Weaver, 17, apparently had other ideas.

“He shoved something into my side,” the victim said of Weaver. “I wasn’t sure what it was. It had some force to it. I wasn’t sure if it was a knife or a gun.”

It was a taser. One that fortunately didn’t work.

What did operate just fine, however, was the victim’s concealed-carry .40 caliber pistol.
Knockout Game Thug Shot by Victim He Targeted in Lansing, Mich.

Image source: WILX-TV

The intended victim shot Weaver twice, once in the leg and the other shot landing an inch away from his spine in the February 26 incident. WILX says Weaver has since been sentenced to a year in jail.

It could have been worse, and Weaver even admits he’s getting off easy.

“It was just a lesson learned. I wish I hadn’t played the game at all,” Weaver told the news outlet, adding that before he met his match with the gun-wielding dad, he and his friends attacked others.

“Not many, six or seven,” Weaver told WILX. “It wouldn’t be an everyday game, just a certain game to be played on certain days. You don’t even try to rob them or anything. That’s the game.”

Weaver added that “Point-em-out, Knock-em-out” isn’t gang related, and teens are playing it because they’re bored — and watching others on the Internet getting away with it inspired confidence.

He added that he played the game usually as a result of dares from unseemly kids while high.
Knockout Game Thug Shot by Victim He Targeted in Lansing, Mich.

Marvell Weaver (Image source: WILX)

“They weren’t my normal group of friends. Someone just throws it out there and people go along with it,” Weaver told the station. “One thing leads to another and it just goes all down hill.”

Lansing police are watching for others playing “Point-em-out, Knock-em-out,” WILX noted, adding that an attack could be considered a felony:

“There’s a price to pay if they wind up doing it,” Lansing Police Officer Robert Merritt told WILX. “A good example is Marvell Weaver.”

“It’s just senseless. Teenagers have a lot better things to do with their time,” Merritt.

Weaver’s victim sees nothing humorous about knockout games. “What they tried to do to me wouldn’t have been a joke if they would’ve succeeded,” he told the news outlet. “My child would’ve been left with the aftermath of seeing her father in any type of way I would’ve been left.”

[Audley Strange]

Sounds much like the happy slapping craze here a while ago. That didn't end well for clods either.

[DaveDodo007]

This is the knockout game from NJ USA, it is no surprise as boys growing up without fathers except daddy government then what did anybody think would happen?

[Horwood Beer-Master]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

[Seth]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

Yep. Should have set up a perimeter, with razor-wire and watchtowers - perhaps a few snipers and loads of attack-raptors. No punk would have got close then.

[Seth]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

Yep. Should have set up a perimeter, with razor-wire and watchtowers - perhaps a few snipers and loads of attack-raptors. No punk would have got close then.

Nah, just situational awareness and good tactical movement would do the job. Just making eye contact with the thug as he approaches would probably do it.

Only mindless idiots walk around in an oblivious fog in public.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

Yep. Should have set up a perimeter, with razor-wire and watchtowers - perhaps a few snipers and loads of attack-raptors. No punk would have got close then.

Nah, just situational awareness and good tactical movement would do the job. Just making eye contact with the thug as he approaches would probably do it.

Only mindless idiots walk around in an oblivious fog in public.

Admit it, Seth. When you approach a blind corner, you pull your gun, and flatten yourself against the wall before taking the corner in one quick movement, taking out anyone wearing a hoodie!

[Seth]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

Yep. Should have set up a perimeter, with razor-wire and watchtowers - perhaps a few snipers and loads of attack-raptors. No punk would have got close then.

Nah, just situational awareness and good tactical movement would do the job. Just making eye contact with the thug as he approaches would probably do it.

Only mindless idiots walk around in an oblivious fog in public.

Admit it, Seth. When you approach a blind corner, you pull your gun, and flatten yourself against the wall before taking the corner in one quick movement, taking out anyone wearing a hoodie!

Just goes to show that you know fuck-all about self-defense tactics. The LAST thing you do is approach a blind corner against the wall. The objective in approaching a blind corner is to remain out of physical range of an assailant waiting to jump you to give yourself time to take defensive action if he tries to rush you. You're thinking combat tactics, not self-defense tactics.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Just goes to show that you took me seriously when I was taking the piss. The "attack-raptors" should have been a clue if the smiley wasn't!

[Jason]

He probably thought you were referencing his private air force of F-22s.

[FBM]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

...

When I was working in Corrections way back in the day, I occasionally took a group of adolescent "clients" to Brushy Mountain State Pen to have them scared straight. As part of the tour, I would take a hit from the guards' stun shield, which they use for extractions. It's a plexiglass shield with electrodes on one side. I suppose it's about like getting hit with a stun gun/taser. It hurt like all fuck, but afterwards I wasn't so incapacitated that I wouldn't have been able to draw a weapon had I had one. I don't think the thug in the news story would have stood there and pressed it in for 10 seconds. It's a hit-and-run game.

[Jason]

Fuck that. I'd carry a Mossberg 590-A4 under my black leather trencoat and keep it loaded with XREPs.

But then, I'm a 'hacker'. I don't play fair. Besides, what could go wrong? ;-)

[DaveDodo007]

So if that taser had worked, Marvell Weaver could have now been walking around with a gun...

Maybe. Most of the "knockout" participants don't rob the victim, they just knock him (or her) out and leave. But if that had happened it wouldn't be the victim's fault or problem, he's the victim.

The victim's mistake was tactical. He should have exercised better situational awareness and not allowed the assailant to get that close to him in the first place.

Aren't gun laws in NJ strict?

[Seth]

Just goes to show that you took me seriously when I was taking the piss. The "attack-raptors" should have been a clue if the smiley wasn't!

I know you were taking a piss, I just wanted to point out the fault to the credulous lurkers and you gave me a fine opportunity to impart some important wisdom.

Here's another little tidbit: In the US you can get a "passport card" from the government that can be used to go in and out of Mexico and Canada, but not for flying or coming back from other places (you need a real passport for that). Whenever the matter of presenting ID comes up I present my passport card, and when the clerk or bank teller or whatnot is surprised and confused by it I ask them what's NOT on the passport card that is on your driver's license. It usually takes a while and I often have to prompt them, but the answer is "your home address." I make it a particular point to tell ladies why they should get a passport card and never, ever show their driver's license to anyone but a cop during a traffic stop or to a judge in traffic court. For absolutely everything else ID-wise, the passport card (or an actual passport) is completely legal and acceptable ID that cannot be refused. So when some cute girl shows her passport card to the geek behind the convenience store counter rather than her driver's license, he can't memorize her home address and go stalk her.

Besides, if you do it right and cover the top of the card where it says "Passport Card" with your thumb when flashing it, many people will think it's a federal government employee ID, for what it's worth.