Bloody immigrants, coming over here and giving us money!

[Pappa]

Migrants contribute £25bn to UK economy, study finds
Arrivals from EEA countries since 2000 have worked more and received less in benefits than average Briton, academics argue

Migrants coming to the UK since the year 2000 have been less likely to receive benefits or use social housing than people already living in the country, according to a study that argues the new arrivals have made a net contribution of £25bn to public finances.

People from European Economic Area countries have been the most likely to make a positive contribution, paying about 34% more in taxes than they received in benefits over the 10 years from 2001 to 2011, according to the findings from University College London's migration research unit. Other immigrants paid about 2% more than they received.

Recent immigrants were 45% less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than people native to the UK and 3% less likely to live in social housing, says the report written by Professor Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini.

But going back further to 1995, the study found that non-EEA immigrants arriving between that year and 2011 had claimed more in benefits than they paid in taxes, mainly because they had more children than people already living in Britain.

The academics also found that recent immigrants from the EEA – the EU plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein – participated more in the labour market. Their study was based predominantly on official reports including the British Labour Force Survey as well as tax data and public expenditure statistics. The EEA immigrants were also more likely to have a university degree than British people.

Dustmann said: "Our research shows that in contrast with most other European countries, the UK attracts highly educated and skilled immigrants from within the EEA as well as from outside. What’s more, immigrants who arrived since 2000 have made a very sizeable net fiscal contribution and therefore helped to reduce the fiscal burden on UK-born workers.

"Our study also suggests that over the last decade or so the UK has benefitted fiscally from immigrants from EEA countries, who have put in considerably more in taxes and contributions than they received in benefits and transfers.

"Given this evidence, claims about 'benefit tourism' by EEA immigrants seem to be disconnected from reality."

Meanwhile a discussion paper published online by Professor John Salt and Dr Janet Dobson, also from UCL's migration research unit, argued the government's target to cut net migration to the UK to the tens of thousands by 2015 is "neither a useful tool nor a measure of policy effectiveness". The pair looked at progress towards the target since the coalition government was formed in 2010.

In its most recent figures the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed a net flow of 176,000 migrants into the UK in the year to December 2012, up from 153,000 in the year to September 2012, ending five consecutive quarters of decline.

In the paper the authors say: "We have serious doubts that the net migration target is either a useful tool or a measure of policy effectiveness and we believe that recent experience provides a number of lessons for future migration policy, both in the UK and internationally."

Net migration to the UK is calculated as the difference between the number of people entering the country and the number leaving. The target applies to all immigrants and emigrants, including British citizens and those from other countries in the EEA.

The government has focused its policies almost entirely on non-EEA citizens, the paper says, making big cuts in highly skilled immigrants and foreign students. It adds: "It is not clear what happens next – where further cuts would come from, what policies would be needed to maintain a net inflow below 100,000 or what happens if an improving economy requires more skilled labour."

The paper argues that damage has already been done by actions to cut work-related, student and family migration, harming the UK's reputation as a good place to work and study. "Too much of the debate about international migration in the UK is about 'immigrants' as an undifferentiated group, without getting to grips with who 'they' are, why they come, the jobs they do, the contribution they make and the length of time they stay.

"And there is almost no reference to the fact that international migration is a two-way street, involving British as well as non-British citizens, which is what net migration is all about.

"The flow of people out of the country is vital to achieving the target and is something over which the government has much less influence."

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We are building an immigration system that works in the national interest, with net migration down by a third since its peak in 2010.

"We have tightened immigration routes where abuse was rife while still encouraging the brightest and best to come here to study and work, but more needs to be done.

"This is why the immigration bill will prevent migrants from using public services which they are not entitled to and reduce the factors which draw people to the UK."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013 ... ss-experts

[cronus]

The bulk of that money was saved by not paying out in the low wage economy I'd hazard a guess.

[mistermack]

The report is academic, since we can't stop people coming from the EU anyway.
And highly skilled people are nothing to worry about. That is, if they stay here.
But many of them work here, and then leave and take their money out, making the country poorer. But so long as it's balanced by British people working in the EU on a similar basis, the overall effect is nil.

But it's the completely unskilled workers, coming from outside the EU, that need to be stopped. They are the ones who have the big families, who claim the most benefits, and put most strain on the health service.

Unfortunately, most immigration over the last fifty years has been unskilled, from countries that have a tradition of big families. So we've built up an underclass that costs a lot, and takes years to move up the economic ladder.
And the numbers have pushed up house prices and rents, and kept the lowest wages much lower than the should be.

In effect, unskilled immigration has made the rich richer, and the poor poorer.
And it's still doing it.

[MrJonno]

Immigration isnt about economics, its about 'the country not being the same', or 'being surrounded by people who don't look like me' , 'or they make strange noises' , they smell

[mistermack]

Immigration isnt about economics, its about 'the country not being the same', or 'being surrounded by people who don't look like me' , 'or they make strange noises' , they smell

I don't think so. Why do people pay money to go abroad on holiday then?

My objections anyway, are to the effects on the wages of the poor, and the fact that the UK has not built the houses to put them in.
We haven't got room for millions more people. Nobody wants more houses built on green-belt land, and the other stuff is running out.

[Tyrannical]

Why you could improve the benefits of immigration even more by giving Zero immigrants benefits, council houses, and perhaps even require them to pay for health services and children's schooling.

I hate to state the obvious, but some immigrants are beneficial and some are a liability. Start by keeping the good and casting off the bad.

[MrJonno]

Immigration isnt about economics, its about 'the country not being the same', or 'being surrounded by people who don't look like me' , 'or they make strange noises' , they smell

I don't think so. Why do people pay money to go abroad on holiday then?

My objections anyway, are to the effects on the wages of the poor, and the fact that the UK has not built the houses to put them in.
We haven't got room for millions more people. Nobody wants more houses built on green-belt land, and the other stuff is running out.

There is a massive housing problem in the UK but its mainly due to white middle class people fighting tooth and nail to prevent housing permission for any houses

We actually do have room for millions more people , what we do don't have room for is little English rural villages full of xenophobic inbred tossers whose idea of a good day out is to hunt foxes/immigrants while moaning that public services are poor in their area

As the country is unfortunately too London centric simply due to its size we need a couple more 5 million + cities build on top of a few 1000 villages

[mistermack]

Yeh right. Instead of stopping the problem at source, keep putting a sticking plaster on it.
I don't want the country to be covered in concrete and housing estates. Sure, you would grow the economy, by tarmacking the entire country, and squeezing in another fifty million.
But what's the fucking point? The people won't be better off, they'll be far worse off.

Better to pull up the drawbridge, and stop all illegal immigration. Legal immigration we can handle.

[cronus]

They come here they live by our rules. No teetotallers - and something kinky brought to the party....or a six pack.

[MrJonno]

The UK especially Scotland is mostly empty, get a train or go on a motorway and have a look around. It's fields and more fields which are occasional used by over subsidised farmers.

We can still keep some green stuff is people want but housing comes first. We have what 60 million in the Uk, 100 million in the future no problems

[cronus]

The UK especially Scotland is mostly empty, get a train or go on a motorway and have a look around. It's fields and more fields which are occasional used by over subsidised farmers.

We can still keep some green stuff is people want but housing comes first. We have what 60 million in the Uk, 100 million in the future no problems

Stocks can go down as well as up and you haven't factored in the coming plague.

[Blind groper]

The better approach is to spend money and effort developing those nations from which the poor and uneducated immigrants come. Once their home is richer and able to support them well, they will stay at home, and work there, and take contraceptives.

[Tyrannical]

Multiculturalism will never work, the immigration end game if things aren't fixed are Nazi gas chambers. That blood will be on liberals hands and I am warning you now so that may be avoided.
I simply want them gone, not dead. And I'm afraid those are the only two choices.

[klr]

Multiculturalism will never work, the immigration end game if things aren't fixed are Nazi gas chambers. That blood will be on liberals hands and I am warning you now so that may be avoided.
I simply want them gone, not dead. And I'm afraid those are the only two choices.

Charming stuff, but entirely predictable.

[Tyrannical]

History tends to repeat, and there are many historical examples of this happening. Of course liberals will be shocked when it does.
Everyone knows the far right parties are rising in Europe, and everyone knows why also.