Don't Ever Think That Atheism/Rationalism Can't Be Surpassed

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Post by fishie » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:29 am

So if atheism is surpassed, and becomes unnecessary, will there be pancakes?
With banana.
And rum and caramel sauce.
And vanilla ice cream?

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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:56 am

We must hope that this is the case, else why bother?

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Post by Blind groper » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:49 pm

Atheism is the rejection of the most common superstition. Some reject it in a hostile way. Others with equanimity. Big deal!

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Post by MrJonno » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:04 pm

Unless people become immortal religion will always be around, people believe in god because they can't cope with dying (which is pretty understandable).
It's not coincidence that the vast majority of religions which have a god have humans living for ever (there doesnt have to be a link between the two and in fact in the UK more people believe in an afterlife than in god)
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Post by laklak » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:39 pm

I've never understood the "afterlife with no god" position, though that's basically Mrs. Lak's philosophy. If you're going to buy into one completely unsupported mythology then why not another? If there's an Unseen Spirit World full of dead people it's just a hop, skip and jump to Pearly Gates and devils with pitchforks.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by MrJonno » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:01 am

laklak wrote:I've never understood the "afterlife with no god" position, though that's basically Mrs. Lak's philosophy. If you're going to buy into one completely unsupported mythology then why not another? If there's an Unseen Spirit World full of dead people it's just a hop, skip and jump to Pearly Gates and devils with pitchforks.
The abrahamic god is just so vile, if you wanted to live in paradise you wouldnt want him around to lord it over you all. I don't think you need god for an afterlife just lots of woo, consciousness is quantum energy etc
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Post by hackenslash » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:17 am

Scrumple wrote:So it's no wonder that James Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis – that the biosphere acts like a living organism, one that self-regulates to keep conditions just right for life – became so popular.
Perhaps learning what Lovelock actually said, as opposed to the fatuous caricature of it so beloved of the terminally credulous, would serve you better. Lovelock didn't say that the biosphere acts like a living organism, what he actually said is that there is value in viewing the planet as a single organism, and he was correct.
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Post by cronus » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:38 am

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Scrumple wrote:So it's no wonder that James Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis – that the biosphere acts like a living organism, one that self-regulates to keep conditions just right for life – became so popular.
Perhaps learning what Lovelock actually said, as opposed to the fatuous caricature of it so beloved of the terminally credulous, would serve you better. Lovelock didn't say that the biosphere acts like a living organism, what he actually said is that there is value in viewing the planet as a single organism, and he was correct.
It's all gonna fall apart pushed beyond certain limits. :cheers:
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Post by hackenslash » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:11 pm

You mean the limits beyond what he actually fucking said?
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Post by cronus » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:50 pm

hackenslash wrote:You mean the limits beyond what he actually fucking said?
Complicated things get ever more fragile beyond certain limits. You can drop a hard drive and it'll be knackered, you won't realize until you turn it on. Global economy is more fragile than nature. I actually did a degree in Combined Mechanical and Computer Systems Engineering a long, long time ago in a universe far, far away. :?

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Post by hackenslash » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:01 pm

Which is fine, except that what Lovelock said wasn't remotely complicated.
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Post by cronus » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:02 pm

hackenslash wrote:Which is fine, except that what Lovelock said wasn't remotely complicated.
Who cares. Gaia was a dead on the slab idea when first muted and is merely curling its toes a bit more now. :read:
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Post by JimC » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:37 pm

hackenslash wrote:
Scrumple wrote:So it's no wonder that James Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis – that the biosphere acts like a living organism, one that self-regulates to keep conditions just right for life – became so popular.
Perhaps learning what Lovelock actually said, as opposed to the fatuous caricature of it so beloved of the terminally credulous, would serve you better. Lovelock didn't say that the biosphere acts like a living organism, what he actually said is that there is value in viewing the planet as a single organism, and he was correct.
A recent NewScientist article had various geologists and climate scientists basically saying that the evidence is mounting that his hypothesis is simply incorrect.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:03 pm

What, that there is no value in seeing the biosphere as a single entity?
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