Transexual Copper Sues Essex Police!

[Svartalf]

Troubled guy becomes woman and that woman only dates other women is more typical of the sightings and reports I've had.

Yep. Because that person wasn't gay as a man, just felt trapped in the wrong body. The surgery and hormones are not likely to change ones choice of sexual partner or who one finds attractive.

I wonder whether the "felt trapped in the wrong body" condition should always be treated as a permanent, authentic state which can admit of only one possible course of action for that individual, i.e. a sex change operation of some sort.

I'm trapped in the wrong body, I need a young trim one instead of my aging fat one.

[Audley Strange]

Yeah they could spend millions and millions of pounds educating our police force to be a bit more sensitive to one human being so that one human being can be a police officer or they can get rid of shim and pay a couple of grand... hmmmm tough choice for a trivial problem.

Ah, but once a cop is OK with a trans person as a co-worker, wouldn't that process also lead to a more thoughtful and accepting person in general? And isn't it worth it to make our cops a bit less (pardon the expression) pigheaded?

Frankly no, I don't think it is worth it. I could understand sensitivity training if there were lots of transsexuals in the police, but apparently there was one.

And isn't it worth twice as much to watch the fundies fume and rage?

No, because when do they not? There is no value in it. Also, I'm fucking sick of people fuming and raging no matter what their views are. You can deal with those who have different views if you are civil, you might even convince someone that their stereotype of you is wrong. Communcation can happen. Dealing with someone, furious and foaming at the mouth who calls everyone who doesn't agree with them a Sodomite or a Marxist a Creotard or Facist or Rape Apologist, just means you're dealing with a crank.

[Robert_S]

Troubled guy becomes woman and that woman only dates other women is more typical of the sightings and reports I've had.

Yep. Because that person wasn't gay as a man, just felt trapped in the wrong body. The surgery and hormones are not likely to change ones choice of sexual partner or who one finds attractive.

I wonder whether the "felt trapped in the wrong body" condition should always be treated as a permanent, authentic state which can admit of only one possible course of action for that individual, i.e. a sex change operation of some sort.

Always? Probably not, but I'm under the impression that in most cases it's the best route. Efforts at altering the mind to fit the body have met been anywhere from disappointing to disastrous.

But if, after extensive visits to a competent psychologist, the person meets the criteria of someone who will never feel right and honestly that they are the gender of their genitals, I see no reason why gender reassignment shouldn't be standard. In a lot of cases, the physical structure of the brain actually resembles that of a woman more than a man.

[Audley Strange]

Well while it's not conclusive by any means, I've seen this mentioned

Context

The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex reassignment.

Objective

To estimate mortality, morbidity, and criminal rate after surgical sex reassignment of transsexual persons.

Design

A population-based matched cohort study.

Setting

Sweden, 1973-2003.

Participants

All 324 sex-reassigned persons (191 male-to-females, 133 female-to-males) in Sweden, 1973–2003. Random population controls (10:1) were matched by birth year and birth sex or reassigned (final) sex, respectively.

Main Outcome Measures

Hazard ratios (HR) with 95% confidence intervals (CI) for mortality and psychiatric morbidity were obtained with Cox regression models, which were adjusted for immigrant status and psychiatric morbidity prior to sex reassignment (adjusted HR [aHR]).

Results

The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9). Comparisons with controls matched on reassigned sex yielded similar results. Female-to-males, but not male-to-females, had a higher risk for criminal convictions than their respective birth sex controls.

Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi ... ne.0016885

Which confirms similar studies that have been made previously. I'm reticent to get into a discussion about it though because I'm not sure it is a single medical issue, rather that in some cases there are strong biological signifiers and in others it seems to be a psychological issue.

[Robert_S]

Yeah they could spend millions and millions of pounds educating our police force to be a bit more sensitive to one human being so that one human being can be a police officer or they can get rid of shim and pay a couple of grand... hmmmm tough choice for a trivial problem.

Ah, but once a cop is OK with a trans person as a co-worker, wouldn't that process also lead to a more thoughtful and accepting person in general? And isn't it worth it to make our cops a bit less (pardon the expression) pigheaded?

Frankly no, I don't think it is worth it. I could understand sensitivity training if there were lots of transsexuals in the police, but apparently there was one.

And isn't it worth twice as much to watch the fundies fume and rage?

No, because when do they not? There is no value in it. Also, I'm fucking sick of people fuming and raging no matter what their views are. You can deal with those who have different views if you are civil, you might even convince someone that their stereotype of you is wrong. Communcation can happen. Dealing with someone, furious and foaming at the mouth who calls everyone who doesn't agree with them a Sodomite or a Marxist a Creotard or Facist or Rape Apologist, just means you're dealing with a crank.

There is also the precedent. Do we want to be the kind of civilization that allows public employees to bully their co-workers out of a job for reasons that have nothing to do with their ability or willingness to do the job? Do you want cops with such backward assed ideas about gender to be the ones dealing with say, a man suffering domestic abuse at the hands of a woman?

As far as the fundies I was talking about, I've got the compassion fatigue with them. There might be a point to your fiscal pragmatism, but if someone is going to rage about other human beings getting treated with respect as everyone else, they can stress and stew in a mix of adrenalin, norepinephrine, and various glucocorticoids until they sicken and die.

Golden rule! That's what happens to the out groups when their dreams are deferred by the bigotry.

[Audley Strange]

There is also the precedent. Do we want to be the kind of civilization that allows public employees to bully their co-workers out of a job for reasons that have nothing to do with their ability or willingness to do the job? Do you want cops with such backward assed ideas about gender to be the ones dealing with say, a man suffering domestic abuse at the hands of a woman?

That is not a problem that is so trivial that it approaches zero Robert. No of course I don't want a civilization that allows public employees to bully the co-workers. Do you wish one that requires everyone to walk on egg shells and treats the issues of a vanishing minority as something more important than say dealing with crime? Of course you don't. Two extremes I feel and neither one practical.

There might be a point to your fiscal pragmatism, but if someone is going to rage about other human beings getting treated with respect as everyone else, they can stress and stew in a mix of adrenalin, norepinephrine, and various glucocorticoids until they sicken and die.

Golden rule! That's what happens to the out groups when their dreams are deferred by the bigotry.

I fail to see how your lack of respect for those who have lack of respect for others because of their beliefs is not itself a lack of respect for others because of their beliefs.

[JimC]

Audley Strange wrote:

I fail to see how your lack of respect for those who have lack of respect for others because of their beliefs is not itself a lack of respect for others because of their beliefs.

You made my brain hurt!

[Robert_S]

There might be a point to your fiscal pragmatism, but if someone is going to rage about other human beings getting treated with respect as everyone else, they can stress and stew in a mix of adrenalin, norepinephrine, and various glucocorticoids until they sicken and die.

Golden rule! That's what happens to the out groups when their dreams are deferred by the bigotry.

I fail to see how your lack of respect for those who have lack of respect for others because of their beliefs is not itself a lack of respect for others because of their beliefs.

I know, things get weird when you go meta. Sometimes kindness to the unkind is cruelty to their victims. Sometimes not. If my boss is accepting of my coworker who hasn't washed his ass or showered in the last thirty days, that has the effect of making the workplace less accessible to those of us who can smell.

[Audley Strange]

There might be a point to your fiscal pragmatism, but if someone is going to rage about other human beings getting treated with respect as everyone else, they can stress and stew in a mix of adrenalin, norepinephrine, and various glucocorticoids until they sicken and die.

Golden rule! That's what happens to the out groups when their dreams are deferred by the bigotry.

I fail to see how your lack of respect for those who have lack of respect for others because of their beliefs is not itself a lack of respect for others because of their beliefs.

I know, things get weird when you go meta. Sometimes kindness to the unkind is cruelty to their victims. Sometimes not. If my boss is accepting of my coworker who hasn't washed his ass or showered in the last thirty days, that has the effect of making the workplace less accessible to those of us who can smell.

Granted and that poor person could be going through some kind of debilitating depression which might make it feel like they are being victimised for an illness. However if the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few then that means that sometimes minorities might just have to lump it for the benefit of the majority.

[rainbow]

Lesbian becomes a man, marries a gay that became a woman. I don't know what to say.

Why should you care?

Are you attracted to transsexuals?

[Clinton Huxley]

"Transexual copper" sounds like a Chris Morris chemistry joke.

[Audley Strange]

"Transexual copper" sounds like a Chris Morris chemistry joke.

Or a disused villain from Sapphire and Steel

[Clinton Huxley]

"Transexual copper" sounds like a Chris Morris chemistry joke.

Or a disused villain from Sapphire and Steel

if they remade it now, it would have to have that character.