Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire economy
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
I see that, and I raise you ...
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
Such as? Specifically?piscator wrote:It doesn't make your sweeping statements true either. Regardless of what your political religion tells you, lots of people get paid not to work, most in the private sector.
The operative phrase is "the people," not "a person."And just for fun, next time you see a Federal employee, try to fire him. You'll see how far your ideological interpretation of "The pleasure of the people" canon goes.
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
And I'm sure there are many more out there just like that. That's not the point at all. The point is that Ian, a government employee was bitching about getting back pay for being furloughed. Now, there are a good many bureaucrats, mostly mid-level and high-level non-elected civil servants (there's that word "servant" again) whose interests lie in doing their jobs in ways that make them as secure in their positions as possible without much regard for the people whom they serve.piscator wrote:Svartalf wrote:I don't know where you find them but that sure doesn't apply to mosst civil servants I've been in contact with.laklak wrote:The term "sinecure" springs to mind.piscator wrote: And just for fun, next time you see a Federal employee, try to fire him.
The strawman of the Federal deadender bureaucrat is quite appealing to people who like to think they're the only ones who work hard for their $$. I work with some highly effective civil servants who consider it an honor and privilege to serve the American taxpayer.
Now that in and of itself is perfectly understandable and it goes on in private business too. But the real problem with paid bureaucrats (as opposed to elected ones) is that it's incredibly difficult to get rid of them even if they are blatantly corrupt or lazy. This is a problem unique to government that does not occur in the business world generally speaking. It's because of how government bureaucracies are funded, and it's why government employee labor unions must be made unlawful.
In private business if you have a sinecure your maintenance directly affects the bottom line of the company. Now a company may decide for whatever reason to waste that money on a non-productive employee, but that's a business decision that if taken to extremes...say by never firing an employee, usually leads to a bankrupt company.
A private company has a strong profit motive to get rid of dead wood.
Government has no such motive. Government in fact has exactly the opposite motive: it's motivation is to lard up the bureaucracy with as many strap hangers and idlers as possible by convincing the lumpen proletariat that the nation cannot function without hordes of bureaucrats and their minions to keep things running smoothly. And because politicians rely on government workers to make it look like THEY are doing something useful, and because government workers can easily sabotage politician's attempts to hornswoggle and defraud the public by simply blowing a whistle, it is in politiican's bests interests to see that their employees are well taken care of...like by giving congressional staffers and exemption from Obamacare, to retain their loyalty. This is why federal workers make approximately twice what civilian employees in similar positions make.
So, when a public servant bitches and moans about being furloughed by his or her employers and demands back pay for work not accomplished I judge such individuals to be unworthy of public employment at all because they have forgotten just how good they have it and that they are NOT guaranteed a job for life...or for next week...merely because the government hired them.
Now, not all federal employees are this way at all, but those that are, the one who piss and moan about a week off without pay, don't deserve to work for the People.
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
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"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire eco
So has it passed the Senate yet? Or are your Democratic friends Obama and Reid still screwing you over?Ian wrote:Looks like I'll at least be getting back pay after this mess is all over:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... y-be-paid/WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. government shutdown saga continues on Capitol Hill today, but for the 800,000 federal workers sent home without pay there appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Today, the House of Representatives passed legislation that, if cleared by the Senate, would assure those employees would receive their back pay when the government reopens.
The “Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act” passed with a rare, unanimous vote and is poised to pass through the upper chamber unhindered.
So for Seth, Warren and any other hateful anarchists libertarians people who were actually looking forward to this perhaps not happening, it's time for you to get your bearings on reality. The House passed this unanimously. Ponder that for a while.
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The law just passed to guarantee that the employees get their back pay for their furlough time is just about the most imbecilic and monumentally idiotic law I have ever heard of. And, no, Coito-haters, it's not for the reason you're knee-jerk reaction will lead you to believe.
The reason such a guarantee is so fucking painfully stupid is because if they're going to pay the people anyway ---- WHY NOT JUST PASS A LAW THAT SAYS THEY CAN GO BACK TO FUCKING WORK AND DO THEIR JOBS AND GET PAID FOR IT! Or, at a minimum, any worker who works for no pay during the furlough would have their pay caught up to date when it is over. What possible advantage is there to furloughing people and then paying them for the time off?
Jeepers creepers -- I thought the politics of our day could not sink to a lower level.
In this case, the thing I can't wrap my arms around why anyone thinks it's not both parties' fault. I see so many people pretending as if the Democrats are just innocent bystanders, as if they've been compromising or something, and the Republicans are the only ones behaving rigidly. Bollocks and a half.
The reason such a guarantee is so fucking painfully stupid is because if they're going to pay the people anyway ---- WHY NOT JUST PASS A LAW THAT SAYS THEY CAN GO BACK TO FUCKING WORK AND DO THEIR JOBS AND GET PAID FOR IT! Or, at a minimum, any worker who works for no pay during the furlough would have their pay caught up to date when it is over. What possible advantage is there to furloughing people and then paying them for the time off?
Jeepers creepers -- I thought the politics of our day could not sink to a lower level.
In this case, the thing I can't wrap my arms around why anyone thinks it's not both parties' fault. I see so many people pretending as if the Democrats are just innocent bystanders, as if they've been compromising or something, and the Republicans are the only ones behaving rigidly. Bollocks and a half.
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No such law would pass this week, Coito. It would show that Gubment workers are necessary. Tea Partiers want 0 government federally. In states, minimally.
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See above, the House unanimously passed exactly that law -- to pay people for the furloughed time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.htmlTero wrote:No such law would pass this week, Coito. It would show that Gubment workers are necessary. Tea Partiers want 0 government federally. In states, minimally.
To protect the borders they just need Seth and a militia of unpaid gun nuts.
I mean - why the FUCK didn't some sane Congressman suggest we just send them back to work for their normal wages. What the fuck?
So, the Republicans and Democrats unanimously agree that we ought not simply send them back to do their jobs, but rather we ought to let them stay home, but pay them anyway. Can there be anything more low-down and rotten than this? Both parties ought to be ashamed.
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http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84485-g ... -shutdown/

.Charter boat captains in Florida have been informed by the National Park Service that the Florida Bay is closed due to the government shutdown.
The captains, who make a living by taking tourists and anglers on deep-sea fishing trips, are prohibited from fishing in 1,100 square miles of ocean until the shutdown ends. They are also banned from Biscayne National Park.
Rangers will be on duty to enforce the ban. In fact, the personnel and resources required to shut down the ocean will probably cost more than keeping it open

This is governing by temper-tantrum. It is on par with the government’s ham-fisted attempts to close the DC WWII Memorial, an open-air public monument that is normally accessible 24 hours a day. By accessible I mean, you walk up to it. When you have finished reflecting, you then walk away from it.
At least that Memorial is an actual structure, with some kind of perimeter that can be fenced off. Florida Bay is the ocean. How, pray tell, do you “close” 1,100 square miles of ocean? Why would one even need to do so?
Apparently, according to an anonymous Park Service ranger, “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
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Yes. Them sitting at home makes sense to both parties. Now we need politicians to "solve" a problem that they created.
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Now you see why I just prefer having less government. This is what we get when we think government will solve our problems for us and take care of us.Tero wrote:Yes. Them sitting at home makes sense to both parties. Now we need politicians to "solve" a problem that they created.
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If your management has a row I still expect to get paid whether I work for the public or private sector. That is normally an incentive for management to sort out their problems
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Expect all you want, but that's an unreasonable expectation. If I have an employee, and I am not going to have them on the job, then I'm certainly not paying for them to do nothing. But, this isn't a "management" issue, this is a legislation issue.MrJonno wrote:If your management has a row I still expect to get paid whether I work for the public or private sector. That is normally an incentive for management to sort out their problems
The House could just as well have passed a law continuing the departments in which these employees worked, so that they just go to work and earn their pay. Passing a law saying "stay home, don't work, and you'll be paid anyway" is nonsense. If you're going to pay for everything anyway, just pass a continuing resolution and keep the place open while you sort out differences on Obamacare. In that sense, the Democrats are to blame, because the Republicans have offered continuing resolutions to keep the government running and avoid the so called shutdown, but the Democrats have rejected them. So, everyone wants to look good, and they all know that if they vote against paying an employee their wage, even when the employee is laid off, they'd be skewered.
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Republicans have been planning this since August.
They don't give a toss about the Affordable Health Care Act, they just can't stand the idea of Obamacare. It was the Tea Party's stated goal to make Obama a one term president. They failed, so now they're just trying to ruin his legacy. Democrats are growing their balls a little and this is inconvenient for them, so someone's gotta pay.
They don't give a toss about the Affordable Health Care Act, they just can't stand the idea of Obamacare. It was the Tea Party's stated goal to make Obama a one term president. They failed, so now they're just trying to ruin his legacy. Democrats are growing their balls a little and this is inconvenient for them, so someone's gotta pay.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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