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Peace through superior firepower.

Post by Seth » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:53 pm

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Intruder With Brass Knuckles No Match for Armed and Accurate Homeowner: ‘Straight-Up, Self-Defense’
Oct. 1, 2013 1:20am Associated Press

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ROME, Maine (AP) — A Livermore Falls man wearing a ski mask and brass knuckles was shot to death during an attempted home invasion, state police said Monday.
Intruder With Brass Knuckles No Match for Armed and Accurate Homeowner

Christopher Dennison, 44, was shot after a brief altercation with the homeowner Saturday night in a mobile home on Foss Hill Lane, said Steve McCausland, spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety.

Richard Duffy, 48, and his teenage son were not hurt, who’d been watching TV, were not hurt, McCausland said. An autopsy showed Dennison died from multiple gunshot wounds.

No charges were filed against Duffy. And his lawyer told the Kennebec Journal that the homeowner was defending himself.

“We don’t have all the facts in yet, but from all appearances, this looks like straight-up, self-defense,” Tom Ferris said. “It was a home invasion. My client was just defending himself and his family.”

Police did not release details of the confrontation, which is at the center of their ongoing investigation. The case will also be reviewed by the Maine attorney general’s office.

There was a second man in the car when Dennison broke down the door to Duffy’s home, but that man fled after hearing gunshots, McCausland said. Police questioned him but filed no charges.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:55 pm

"Peace". Lol.
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Post by Seth » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:56 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:"Peace". Lol.
As in "Rest in..."
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:57 pm

Rest in pieces, more like it..
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:12 pm

If only this were a civilized country, then the burglar could beat the men with the brass knuckles, rape the woman, and make off with the valuables and all would be well because the police would investigate afterwards and 20% of the time some of the valuables would be recovered. At least there wouldn't be a breach of the peace.

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Post by MiM » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:54 pm

If the "home defender" was so accurate, why didn't he put one bullet through the kneecap and then call the police, instead of several bullets that ended being lethal :FFS:

You should start counting these cases in the amount of capital punishment you deal out in the US, that'll probably put you past China both in numbers and legal atrociousness.
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Post by Azathoth » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:34 pm

Richard Duffy, 48, and his teenage son were not hurt, who’d been watching TV, were not hurt,
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:03 pm

MiM wrote:If the "home defender" was so accurate, why didn't he put one bullet through the kneecap and then call the police, instead of several bullets that ended being lethal :FFS:

You should start counting these cases in the amount of capital punishment you deal out in the US, that'll probably put you past China both in numbers and legal atrociousness.
Well, I don't know about that.

If you think carefully about what it would be like in that circumstance....imagine if you will that you live in a small home with your family. By surprise, at night, you realize someone is breaking into your house. You don't know what they want. You don't know why. They come in, however, and attack your family, including wife and kids. Do you honestly think there are a lot of civilians who can take a gun and pinpoint a kneecap? It's hard to even hit someone with a handgun.

There is just too much at stake and too much commotion and things move too fast in these circumstances for a person to bend over backwards for the intruder. And, why place such burdens on the innocent? The innocent person, minding their own business in their own home, is going to be tasked with making sure they don't overreach against an intruder? That doesn't sound equitable at all.

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Post by laklak » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:41 pm

Shooting someone in the kneecap is a lot harder than it looks on TV. Center of mass, that's the ticket, and as many as you can crank off before he hits the floor. It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by Collector1337 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:35 am

MiM wrote:If the "home defender" was so accurate, why didn't he put one bullet through the kneecap and then call the police, instead of several bullets that ended being lethal :FFS:

You should start counting these cases in the amount of capital punishment you deal out in the US, that'll probably put you past China both in numbers and legal atrociousness.
Obviously you know nothing about self-defense law in the states, which vary.

Unless you live in a state with "Stand Your Ground" or "Castle Doctrine" laws, which prohibit the aggressor from suing the defender after getting shot.

In states WITHOUT those laws, it's actually better to kill, and not just wound, the person you're defending yourself from, because dead people can't sue you.

You should really familiarize yourself with, you know, ACTUAL FACTS, before you pass judgement like an ethnocentric ass.
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Post by Collector1337 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:43 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
MiM wrote:If the "home defender" was so accurate, why didn't he put one bullet through the kneecap and then call the police, instead of several bullets that ended being lethal :FFS:

You should start counting these cases in the amount of capital punishment you deal out in the US, that'll probably put you past China both in numbers and legal atrociousness.
Well, I don't know about that.

If you think carefully about what it would be like in that circumstance....imagine if you will that you live in a small home with your family. By surprise, at night, you realize someone is breaking into your house. You don't know what they want. You don't know why. They come in, however, and attack your family, including wife and kids. Do you honestly think there are a lot of civilians who can take a gun and pinpoint a kneecap? It's hard to even hit someone with a handgun.

There is just too much at stake and too much commotion and things move too fast in these circumstances for a person to bend over backwards for the intruder. And, why place such burdens on the innocent? The innocent person, minding their own business in their own home, is going to be tasked with making sure they don't overreach against an intruder? That doesn't sound equitable at all.
Exactly.

There's someone around here who likes to say how easy it is to shoot a gun, like a monkey could do it.

I'd like to see how well they operate a firearm, under duress, when you have seconds to react and keep someone from killing you.

Something tells me they'd change their mind on how "easy" it is to operate a firearm after such an experience.
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Post by Seth » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:45 am

MiM wrote:If the "home defender" was so accurate, why didn't he put one bullet through the kneecap and then call the police, instead of several bullets that ended being lethal :FFS:
Because that sort of attitude advantages the criminal and disadvantages the victim. Nobody said it's easy to use a firearm in self-defense. Nobody said it's certain protection against victimization, injury or death. Nobody said it's always the right thing to do in every case. But it's better to be prepared to take the shot and decide not to do so than to need to, have a shot, and not have the proper tool.
You should start counting these cases in the amount of capital punishment you deal out in the US, that'll probably put you past China both in numbers and legal atrociousness.
What's atrocious about shooting someone who is attempting to beat your face in and brains out with a pair of brass knuckles? You ever seen someone after they've been worked over with them? I have. It's not pretty at all, and it very frequently causes permanent physical disfigurement, blindness, brain damage and death, the imminent threat of which all justify the use of deadly physical force.

You'd have the criminal beat the victim's brains and teeth out, put him in a coma, turn him into Quasimodo by fracturing all the bones in his face, make him unable to eat solid food for months by shattering his jaw and require the victim to suffer this attack on the imbecilic notion that the criminal ought to get a "fair trial?"

Good God... :fp:
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