Food Stamps to be drastically cut in the US

[Coito ergo sum]

And, as far as irrational people go, and overly emotional people go, they seem to cut across lines. A lot of them are scumbags who sit home collecting the dole doing nothing and complaining about the injustice of the world while feigning "disabilities."

You really are a bigoted cuntbag. I'd seriously smash your fucking face in if I ever saw you in person.

Unprovoked personal attack. Look, there are scumbags who scam the system. Just because you want to pretend they don't exist doesn't make me a bigot.

i'm sick of your garbage. Go fuck off, why don't you?

Look at the shit you say about conservatives. You "hate" them. You make stereotypical generalizations all the time. And, you claim I'm a bigot because I oppose people who scam the system? Fuck the fuck off.

You are a bigot because you attack disabled people and generally get frothy about anyone who is disadvantaged, like the obvious conservative you are. And my personal attack was most certainly not unprovoked. How stupid do you think we are? When the fuck are you going to man up for the shithouse things you say? You are a big fucking skirt. And by the sounds of your wife, I bet you hide behind her when an argument gets heated. Man up.

I did not attack disabled people. If you will read what I wrote instead of inventing stuff, you would see that I attacked people who pretended to be disabled. I do not get frothy at anyone who is "disadvantaged" and you can't point to a single time where I have done so, because I never have. I get frothy at scammers and whiners. Big difference.

Who is "we?" Who do you claim to speak for?

I'm not getting dragged into your own issues again. Grow up, you're acting like a child.

Regarding me attacking conservatives, they are that way by choice. UNLIKE people with disabilities and a lot of poor people. You are a scumbag of the lowest kind. I actually hope I get to meet you one day.

I didn't attack people with disabilities. I referred to people who aren't disabled, but pretend to be.

This is not the first time you've made physical threats to me. That's a crime.

So, I'm against food stamp theft and fraud. Aren't you? Can we agree on that?

Did you read what I wrote? No you didn't. Just like you never do. As i said, I don't have a problem with a tiny percentage of poor people skimming the system. The real problems in society are at the top end. No poor person gets judged for trying to survive a little better while ever the real thieves in society get away with their theft unpunished (or insufficiently punished).

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's not a small percentage that scam the food stamp system in the US. The system is rife with abuse, both in fraudulent applications and misuse of the funds once they're received.

So you keep saying, shock jock style. Where's your evidence that shows that it is "rife"? And what sorts of money are we talking about here? How does that level of money stack up to the trillions stuffed offshore by the rich in tax havens? How does it stack up to the disaster that some financial organisations have reeked on individuals and the whole fucking economy?

Even if Ayaan's 1% figure was correct, based on the cost of the food stamp program of $92 billion, we'd have nearly a billion dollars in fraud and theft. Other figures show a much higher rate of abuse, though.

Oh, a billion dollars is not at the level of what the criminal banking organizations did during the financial crisis, and what they've done over the years. A big problem there is that the government regulatory bodies did not take appropriate criminal action against those entities. Instead, they were propped up and bailed out. However, this thread is not about them, nor is food stamp fraud's impropriety a function of a relative comparison with financial fraud.

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And, you're the one who falsely accused me of not caring if rich people scam the system. I do, yet you constantly pretend that I don't. This thread is not about the rich people scamming the system. This is about the food stamp system.

Your narrative on the board is conservative to the core. Attack the poor and disadvantaged out of proportion to the way you attack the rich(er). I don't know who you think you are kidding. Everyone knows you are a conservative. How many people do you need to tell you that you are one before you man up and just admit that you are one?

It is not, and so what if it was? Fuck off. This forum is not about personally attacking conservatives, or libertarians, or liberals or leftists or communists or whatever. You are not some privileged member who gets to fly off the handle at anyone you choose just because you don't like their politics, or what you label their politics.

I am not a conservative because I am pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro civil rights, anti-death penalty, pro-regulations against monopolies and anticompetitive behavior, pro-reasonable gun regulation, pro regulated market system, pro-embryonic stem cell research, pro-physician assisted suicide, I accept climate science, I am against racial profiling in all forms, I am pro-immigration, and pro separation of church and state. There are very few issues on which I can be characterized as "conservative."

I wasn't aware that being against fraud, theft and scamming the system was a uniquely "conservative" value anyway. Maybe it is where you live. Or, maybe that issue just hits a little too close to home for you because you may be attributing something here as an accurate portrayal of your own life experience. I can't be sure, but the fact that you've gone so far off the deep end on this seems quite odd, to say the least.

[pErvinalia]

"A lot of them are scumbags who sit home collecting the dole doing nothing and complaining about the injustice of the world while feigning "disabilities.""

^ This was aimed at me. Don't pretend it wasn't. Man the fuck up, you skirt.

[Bella Fortuna]

Yeesh, get a room.

[Coito ergo sum]

"A lot of them are scumbags who sit home collecting the dole doing nothing and complaining about the injustice of the world while feigning "disabilities.""

^ This was aimed at me. Don't pretend it wasn't. Man the fuck up, you skirt.

No it wasn't. You aren't feigning a disability, are you?

You do whine and complain a lot, so I can understand your confusion. But, it wasn't an attack on you. And, I don't care what you think anyway, because you constantly assert some privileged position here to abuse and shout at people. You make gross generalizations, you mock people for medical conditions and mental handicaps, you mock people for their political views and not only mock them but personally attack them. You grant to yourself the right to determine who it is acceptable to attack, and who is sacrosanct.

Here, you make the incorrect assumption that someone was talking about you, and you then fly off the handle and threaten people.

Stop it!

[Coito ergo sum]

Yeesh, get a room.

That's uncalled for.

[klr]

Hmmmm .... Walmart cheap? I've had a quick gander through its website, and it doesn't seem any cheaper than budget stores or budget lines here. Nor does that really surprise me: The low-cost grocery model is now very deeply embedded in most "western" countries.

[Warren Dew]

In any event, it matters not: It would be grossly unhealthy, and therefore doesn't count. Even "primitive" hunter-gatherers would have a much better diet than that.

"Primitive" hunter gatherers have a diet much healthier than almost anyone in the industrialized world. That's why their teeth are perfect, they don't get cancer or diabetes, etc.

Eating a "primitive" hunter gatherer diet is also extremely expensive in the western world, because of the cost of fully pastured meats, fresh vegetables, etc., and the complete lack of cheap staples like bread and potatoes. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people on food stamps to be able to eat a diet that the upper middle class can't afford.

Their teeth are perfect because they die before the age of 40. The diabetes I will give you because the rate of diabetes is directly linked to obesity. Cancer, of course, doesn't occur in as many instances when people die earlier, and also they don't have a good system of record-keeping of diagnoses in hunter-gatherer communities. They still die of evil spirits.

Their average life expectancy is low due to high child mortality, which is in turn due to lack of antibiotics, not due to dietary factors. If they live to 20, they have a good chance of living to 60 - certainly enough do to identify differences like good teeth.

And since when do 40 year olds have perfect teeth in the western world? Most peoples' teeth are full of cavities by then.

Not just infant mortality. A hunter-gatherer doesn't have a doctor to go to, and dies of a toothache or fractured bone, which gets infected. He doesn't have antibiotics or vaccinations, and dies in his 20s and 30s of a variety of diseases, ailments and accidents along the way. He lives a more labor intensive lifestyle, and therefore has more risk.

Sure. None of which has anything to do with diet.

As for teeth

The bushmen were forced by government policy to switch to agriculture in the 1950s, so of course their teeth went bad after that. Here's an image that shows five pictures of people still living a hunter gatherer lifestyle and three that were switched to agriculture. Note how nice the teeth are on the ones that are still hunter gatherers - the four on the left page and the upper right picture on the right page:


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Montana, Idaho, Washington State, North Dakota, South Dakota, most of Canada, Alaska, Wyoming..... plenty of room to walk about, hunt and gather. Plenty of deer and other animals all over.

And plenty of rules on where and when you can hunt, just as I said.

[Warren Dew]

Sure, but the list of foods above can still be managed by about $10/week. All that stuff at Wal-Mart is very cheap. I'm telling you, there are dirt cheap foods out there. But, the larger point is beyond the exactitude of $10. It may be $12 now, or $15. The point is that there is a lot of opportunity out there for savings.

Yeah, lots of folks don't know how to shop wisely, and don't know how to cook for that matter either. My hex roommate for instance bought nothing but prepared prepackaged meals. He bought pre-made individually wrapped pancakes for god's sake, and pancakes are about the easiest (and cheapest) thing to make in the world. Another example, the college age girls who come in and help take care of my sister. They are absolutely gobsmacked when they see my mother doing things like making cookies, as if they didn't know such a thing was possible!

I don't know what it's like in the US, but outside of bigger towns in Oz, food is WAY more expensive. So it's not always going to be a case of heading to your nearest superstore to get cheap shit. Some people don't have that option.

The situation in Australia has no relevance to food stamps in the U.S.

[piscator]

"Primitive" hunter gatherers have a diet much healthier than almost anyone in the industrialized world. That's why their teeth are perfect, they don't get cancer or diabetes, etc.

I like the way you confidently assert that. Like you have a clue beyond some midden piles and maybe about 4 complete sets of paleolithic human teeth in all of recorded archeology...

[pErvinalia]

Sure, but the list of foods above can still be managed by about $10/week. All that stuff at Wal-Mart is very cheap. I'm telling you, there are dirt cheap foods out there. But, the larger point is beyond the exactitude of $10. It may be $12 now, or $15. The point is that there is a lot of opportunity out there for savings.

Yeah, lots of folks don't know how to shop wisely, and don't know how to cook for that matter either. My hex roommate for instance bought nothing but prepared prepackaged meals. He bought pre-made individually wrapped pancakes for god's sake, and pancakes are about the easiest (and cheapest) thing to make in the world. Another example, the college age girls who come in and help take care of my sister. They are absolutely gobsmacked when they see my mother doing things like making cookies, as if they didn't know such a thing was possible!

I don't know what it's like in the US, but outside of bigger towns in Oz, food is WAY more expensive. So it's not always going to be a case of heading to your nearest superstore to get cheap shit. Some people don't have that option.

The situation in Australia has no relevance to food stamps in the U.S.

Oh, ok then. Lol. Do you want to explain that empty assertion? The point being addressed is the one that says you can get cheap food and other necessary items by simply popping down to your local superstore. If you have local superstores all the place in the US, then that point is valid. If the US is like Australia in some regards (where only major towns have cheap shops and cheap food) then the point has a few holes in it.

[Warren Dew]

Sure, but the list of foods above can still be managed by about $10/week. All that stuff at Wal-Mart is very cheap. I'm telling you, there are dirt cheap foods out there. But, the larger point is beyond the exactitude of $10. It may be $12 now, or $15. The point is that there is a lot of opportunity out there for savings.

Yeah, lots of folks don't know how to shop wisely, and don't know how to cook for that matter either. My hex roommate for instance bought nothing but prepared prepackaged meals. He bought pre-made individually wrapped pancakes for god's sake, and pancakes are about the easiest (and cheapest) thing to make in the world. Another example, the college age girls who come in and help take care of my sister. They are absolutely gobsmacked when they see my mother doing things like making cookies, as if they didn't know such a thing was possible!

I don't know what it's like in the US, but outside of bigger towns in Oz, food is WAY more expensive. So it's not always going to be a case of heading to your nearest superstore to get cheap shit. Some people don't have that option.

The situation in Australia has no relevance to food stamps in the U.S.

Oh, ok then. Lol. Do you want to explain that empty assertion? The point being addressed is the one that says you can get cheap food and other necessary items by simply popping down to your local superstore. If you have local superstores all the place in the US, then that point is valid.

We have supermarkets pretty much everywhere in the U.S.

[pErvinalia]

See, that wasn't hard, was it?

[Ian]

He may be right Rev, at least about there being little similarity. There are supermarkets in every small town in the country. Food prices tend to be higher in major cities, in fact, for the simple reason that everything is more expensive in major cities.

Hawaii is known to be especially expensive.

EDIT: Damn I'm slow!

[pErvinalia]

We have supermarkets in most towns too. The difference is in the type of supermarket. We have two or three huge supermarket chains who are significantly cheaper than the others due to their ability to buy in bulk. What would cost say $20 a week here in a big chain, would cost probably close to $30-$35 in a small chain. That obviously makes a huge difference to someone doing it tough.

[pErvinalia]

"A lot of them are scumbags who sit home collecting the dole doing nothing and complaining about the injustice of the world while feigning "disabilities.""

^ This was aimed at me. Don't pretend it wasn't. Man the fuck up, you skirt.

No it wasn't. You aren't feigning a disability, are you?

Of course I'm not. But you like to continually suggest that I am. And stop being a pussy. Own up to your words. If you weren't taking a shot at me, then what the fuck where you talking about? Why were talking about "disabilities" in a thread about food stamps (a fact that you keep wanting to remind me about)? Why did your statement ape mine (attacking conservatives) using the same words and theme? You're a disingenuous scumbag. And a fucking pussy too. Man up and own your words.