America's Cup - Louis Vitton round 42 knots!!!!!

[macdoc]

True - but the big celebration will be booting Ellison out.

That was a truly brilliant move but they won't get away with it tomorrow

[piscator]

True - but the big celebration will be booting Ellison out.

"Booting him out" of what, exactly? He seems a good host.

[Hermit]

Both boats are skippered by Kiwis

Not.

[Warren Dew]

Oh damn that start by the Kiwis on the second race would have won it all. Kiwis on the right

...And Kiwis on the left. Both boats are skippered by Kiwis and crewed by mostly Kiwis, so a Kiwi victory is virtually assured.

I think the Oracle team actually has a British skipper.

[mistermack]

Oh damn that start by the Kiwis on the second race would have won it all. Kiwis on the right

...And Kiwis on the left. Both boats are skippered by Kiwis and crewed by mostly Kiwis, so a Kiwi victory is virtually assured.

I think the Oracle team actually has a British skipper.

He's Australian. But they have a British tactician, Ben Ainslie.

It's looking inevitable now that the Kiwis will win it. Hopefully without needing the two points that Oracle was docked for cheating.

That cheating business makes you wonder if they should re-examine the Oracle boat that won it last time.

[MiM]

Question for those who know: why did Emirates tack at all when it looked like they were far enough ahead to get clear of Oracle's path? Does right of way go beyond avoiding a collision?

It seems like they didn't trust their speed going in separate directions, so they aimed to tack in front of Oracle to disturb their wind and sailing. A classic move of "guarding your position". Actually you need more headway to do a tack like that in front of the other boat, than just passing the bow. This is because you need to have tacked completely and be set on the new tack, before the rule that the boat in behind has to yield takes force. This is why they got a penalty, as Oracle had to yield for them while they where in mid tack.

Ah, that makes sense. So not only were they late in adjusting their wing, but the tack itself was half a second or a second late as well?

Not necessarily. If the tack had gone as planned, they would probably have been able to set their new course clear ahead, and forced Oracle to tack out of the disturbed winds.

If you are still interested in that manoeuvre, NZ did it successfully at about 22'40 into the youtube video of race 11.

[Warren Dew]

Question for those who know: why did Emirates tack at all when it looked like they were far enough ahead to get clear of Oracle's path? Does right of way go beyond avoiding a collision?

It seems like they didn't trust their speed going in separate directions, so they aimed to tack in front of Oracle to disturb their wind and sailing. A classic move of "guarding your position". Actually you need more headway to do a tack like that in front of the other boat, than just passing the bow. This is because you need to have tacked completely and be set on the new tack, before the rule that the boat in behind has to yield takes force. This is why they got a penalty, as Oracle had to yield for them while they where in mid tack.

Ah, that makes sense. So not only were they late in adjusting their wing, but the tack itself was half a second or a second late as well?

Not necessarily. If the tack had gone as planned, they would probably have been able to set their new course clear ahead, and forced Oracle to tack out of the disturbed winds.

If you are still interested in that manoeuvre, NZ did it successfully at about 22'40 into the youtube video of race 11.

Yes. They started it much earlier in race 11.

I'd also seen it done in another video, I think by the Americans in race 3 or so.

[piscator]

Oh damn that start by the Kiwis on the second race would have won it all. Kiwis on the right

...And Kiwis on the left. Both boats are skippered by Kiwis and crewed by mostly Kiwis, so a Kiwi victory is virtually assured.

I think the Oracle team actually has a British skipper.

He's Australian. But they have a British tactician, Ben Ainslie.

It's looking inevitable now that the Kiwis will win it. Hopefully without needing the two points that Oracle was docked for cheating.

That cheating business makes you wonder if they should re-examine the Oracle boat that won it last time.

Yeah. They may have to fire another Dutchman, Kiwi, or Aussie if it turns out those underhanded Americans cheated again.

[mistermack]

It's looking inevitable now that the Kiwis will win it. Hopefully without needing the two points that Oracle was docked for cheating.

That cheating business makes you wonder if they should re-examine the Oracle boat that won it last time.

Yeah. They may have to fire another Dutchman, Kiwi, or Aussie if it turns out those underhanded Americans cheated again.

I wouldn't exclude any nationality from scrutiny. And certainly not US. Lance Armstrong springs to mind. But all nationalities are at it.
If Oracle were caught cheating this time around, it seems logical to have another look at their previous efforts. If I had lost out to them last time, I would be very interested.

[macdoc]

8 minutes to go

[Warren Dew]

Oracle wins race 12.

[Warren Dew]

I wish they hadn't lowered the wind limit. I'd love to see what these boats could do in 30 knot winds.

[macdoc]

UM in theory 90 knots and a catastrophe.....not a good idea.

[macdoc]

damn that was close and the Kiwis got nailed





Well done Oracle.....more racing to come - yea

[MiM]

"Those guys got nine lives, no wonder they are sailing a cat"