What did this man need that he didn't have?

[pErvinalia]

I wouldn't shoot at your horses in that situation, much less mine. I'm sure Seth had just the right custom rifle in just the right caliber with the dope of his perfect pet load engraved on the custom stock he designed on SolidWorks3D on his 48-core CAD station, but I'd of driven down there first.

Nah. A 20 year old Sako .243 Remington with a Leupold scope my dad built the stock for. But yes, I hand loaded the rounds after working up a load specifically for that rifle. I shot thousands and thousands of rounds from that rifle before finally wearing the bore out. Sold it rather than re-barrel it because I'd changed over to .17 HMR for prairie dogs and a Remington 700 .22-250 in stainless for 'yotes.

Oh, and the point is that I wasn't shooting "at" the horses, I was shooting "at" the dog. From that distance, on a stationary target with no wind I could shoot YOU in either your left eye or right eye without any danger at all to someone standing next to you.

A thousand yards? Well, that's a bit more risky but 6 inches was my cold-bore group at the Whittington Center a couple of weeks ago with my Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum.

I just jizzed my pants.

[Seth]

Well, I couldn't verify that because I've not seen you shoot a gun.

Piece of piss. Any dumb cunt can do it. They are made for morons.

Which doesn't speak to YOUR capacity to shoot one I'm afraid. Or does it?

[Seth]

I wouldn't shoot at your horses in that situation, much less mine. I'm sure Seth had just the right custom rifle in just the right caliber with the dope of his perfect pet load engraved on the custom stock he designed on SolidWorks3D on his 48-core CAD station, but I'd of driven down there first.

Nah. A 20 year old Sako .243 Remington with a Leupold scope my dad built the stock for. But yes, I hand loaded the rounds after working up a load specifically for that rifle. I shot thousands and thousands of rounds from that rifle before finally wearing the bore out. Sold it rather than re-barrel it because I'd changed over to .17 HMR for prairie dogs and a Remington 700 .22-250 in stainless for 'yotes.

Oh, and the point is that I wasn't shooting "at" the horses, I was shooting "at" the dog. From that distance, on a stationary target with no wind I could shoot YOU in either your left eye or right eye without any danger at all to someone standing next to you.

A thousand yards? Well, that's a bit more risky but 6 inches was my cold-bore group at the Whittington Center a couple of weeks ago with my Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum.

Just because you probably can't hit the broad side of a barn with a sawed-off shotgun doesn't mean everybody's as inept.

So now it was a running half-kilometer shot on a medium dog in a 45kph crosswind in the same direction as your horses?


How far did you have to lead him? Did you shoot offhand, or take a rest on the hood of your truck?

As I recall, about five feet off his nose and about even with the tip of his ears. Wind was in the dog's face. It was about 300 feet or more behind the horses, who were easily outrunning him. It was from kneeling position. I'd been out potting prairie dogs when the dog showed up. The first thing I saw was the horses running full-bore towards the fence about a quarter mile away with the white dog in pursuit. I was pretty surprised myself that it went down, and even more surprised when I inspected the carcass and found I'd center-punched him. I was expecting it to take several shots at least to dope it right, and I was hoping it would stop and stand for a moment. So, a combination of skill, snap-shooting instinct and luck. Wasn't like I did the math and set the shot up. Fucking great shot though.

I'm a much better and more methodical long range shooter now. Got the PDA with both Horus and Patagonia ballistics programs, Kestrel weather meter that bluetooths to the PDA (Trimble Recon), Vectronix laser rangefinder that interfaces with the PDA for range information, and Garmin GPS that also feeds the Patagonia program for precision target location. Works great if you shoot an elk across the canyon. You range and azimuth the with the Vectronix, feed that and your GPS position into the ballistics program, set up your shot, make the shot, then download the calculated position back into the GPS and track right to the kill. Easy as pie. Works just as well on other types of varmints as well.

You see, some people are actually quite skilled marksmen (and markswomen) who practice their craft regularly and are quite confident in their skill set. I happen to be one of those people. I kinda wished I'd joined the Marines, but when I was of age, the Scout-Sniper program was in it's infancy. Carlos Hathcock was out demonstrating his skills when I was draft-eligible. Never got called up. And would have been 4F anyway due to vision problems that didn't get fixed till LASIK came along.

I thought about going to work for a contractor the other day, but at 59 I'm over the hill for overseas deployment. Guess I'll have to be satisfied with my zero body count. Still, it's nice to keep the skill set honed. You never know when you might need to make that long shot to save a life, or take down dinner.

That's one of the nice thing about shooting sports, for target competition sometimes the older you are the better you are. Some of our Olympic shooting team competitors are in their 60s. One can go to the range and shoot steel or paper until one is quite feeble. Not everybody has to have Scout-Sniper fieldcraft skills and endurance just to be a great marksman.

Sometimes age and cunning outweigh youthful exuberance and a bad haircut.

[JimC]

I actually miss that aspect of shooting - the satisfaction one gets when the bullet goes exactly where it's meant...

A variety of reasons, including various eye problems, means that those days are past, but I did enjoy them at the time...

[Seth]

I actually miss that aspect of shooting - the satisfaction one gets when the bullet goes exactly where it's meant...

A variety of reasons, including various eye problems, means that those days are past, but I did enjoy them at the time...

Hey, even blind people target shoot. The technology exists. You're right though, it's a skill. There's a reason it's an Olympic sport, it's not easy to do it well.

[Tyrannical]

I actually miss that aspect of shooting - the satisfaction one gets when the bullet goes exactly where it's meant...

A variety of reasons, including various eye problems, means that those days are past, but I did enjoy them at the time...

There's always these things. Much cheaper with ammo prices these days, and shooting ranges don't serve gin. Unlike the bars these games are found in.

[mistermack]

I used to do archery, and was pretty good at it. I don't do it any more, because I GREW UP.
Guns are a piece of piss, compared to bows. And our stone-age ancestors started MAKING A LIVING hunting with bows 25,000 years ago.
So basically, what gun-morons are bragging about, any stone-age man, living in shit could do, even the retarded ones.

You point a stick, and pull a trigger. Fuckin grow up.

[DaveD]

What did this man have that he didn't need? http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1498790

[pErvinalia]

[Kristie]

What did this man have that he didn't need? http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1498790

[Collector1337]

I used to do archery, and was pretty good at it. I don't do it any more, because I GREW UP.
Guns are a piece of piss, compared to bows. And our stone-age ancestors started MAKING A LIVING hunting with bows 25,000 years ago.
So basically, what gun-morons are bragging about, any stone-age man, living in shit could do, even the retarded ones.

You point a stick, and pull a trigger. Fuckin grow up.

Really? People in the Stone Age needed to eat food? No shit?

And how many thousands of years went by before even the most primitive firearm was invented?

[mistermack]

Really? People in the Stone Age needed to eat food? No shit?

And how many thousands of years went by before even the most primitive firearm was invented?

I think you've missed the point, Einstein. Nobody on here is bragging about inventing the firearm. Just bullshitting about USING one. Which involves pointing it and pulling a trigger.

Complicated stuff.

[Seth]

I used to do archery, and was pretty good at it. I don't do it any more, because I GREW UP.

Grew up? I dispute that claim. What on earth is juvenile about archery? I took a bear with a bow and I still shoot from time to time, although pain in my elbow makes it difficult sometimes. It to is an Olympic sport and takes great skill to do well. Why would you think that sport is only for children?

Guns are a piece of piss, compared to bows.

At 0 to 100 yards or so you're right. Try shooting a bow at a thousand yards.

And our stone-age ancestors started MAKING A LIVING hunting with bows 25,000 years ago.

Well, many of them did. The others starved to death. So what? Just because archery is no longer a survival technique for most people (though it still is for some aboriginal tribes in places like the Amazon) doesn't mean it's pointless or juvenile. It's a sport that takes practice and skill just like football or cricket or any other sport. It's also a sport that older people can enjoy and excel at because it's non-contact but still requires great skill and control, just like competition shooting.

So basically, what gun-morons are bragging about, any stone-age man, living in shit could do, even the retarded ones.

Yeah, right, out to about 20 yards or so. Tempus fugit though, and firearms replaced bows a long time ago. That doesn't mean shooting a firearm accurately doesn't require skill, which you'd know if you knew anything about marksmanship at all, which clearly you don't.

You point a stick, and pull a trigger. Fuckin grow up.

Ah, but it's about precisely HOW you point it, not to mention all the other variables of internal and external ballistics that make proficiency and accuracy NOT something "even the retarded ones" can easily achieve. By way of example, the FBI says that in street shootings "the retarded ones" (street thugs) who shoot at someone actually hit what they aim at less than fifteen percent of the time, and of those hits, only about 15 percent are fatal wounds. That's why police (and armed citizens) practice long and hard so that they can be fast AND accurate. If you think it's easy, then let's see YOU do it.

Put up or shut up.

[piscator]

Just because you probably can't hit the broad side of a barn with a sawed-off shotgun doesn't mean everybody's as inept.

So now it was a running half-kilometer shot on a medium dog in a 45kph crosswind in the same direction as your horses?


How far did you have to lead him? Did you shoot offhand, or take a rest on the hood of your truck?

As I recall, about five feet off his nose and about even with the tip of his ears. Wind was in the dog's face. It was about 300 feet or more behind the horses, who were easily outrunning him. Fapfapfap

1. Either your rifle was zeroed for 525 yards, or the shot wasn't close to 550 yards. You're looking at about 16 inch drop from 500 to 550 yards with a .243...




...so if you zeroed it @ 200 yards, you need to hold about 40" high @ 500 yards, and about 56" high @ 550 yards. No mention of your $2000 Leica CRF 3200 rangefinder anywhere in this thread either, even though at those ranges a 50 yard misjudgement of distance would result in a miss on a medium dog-sized target.


2. No mention of whether you cranked the .5k shot offhand, or took a rest, or even that you turned the scope up to full power from its lowest setting (where most people who aren't idiots leave adjustable scopes). Let me guess...it was a fixed 4x Leupold, right?

3. Looking at a standard table for bullet "wind drift", one can see that a bullet with a BC comparable to a good .243 round will drift something like 65 to 90 inches @ 600 yards in a 30mph crosswind.

4. The dog was 100 yards away from your horses? The dog wasn't really harassing your horses at all, was he?

[Seth]

Really? People in the Stone Age needed to eat food? No shit?

And how many thousands of years went by before even the most primitive firearm was invented?

I think you've missed the point, Einstein. Nobody on here is bragging about inventing the firearm. Just bullshitting about USING one. Which involves pointing it and pulling a trigger.

Complicated stuff.

Way more complicated than you understand anyway.