Not at all. You brought up Somali refugees coming en masse (probably as the result of some sub rosa payment to some sort of Somali gangster) to break a strike at an anectdotal chicken plant and cheerfully scab for minimum wage. It follows that if US chicken processors paid lawmakers enough, the US could invade Somalia and create all the refugees they need to ensure comfortable profit margins in US chicken processing without having to suffer the inconvenience of raising prices.Seth wrote:Complete non sequitur.piscator wrote:
So you're saying McDonald's should take over Somalia if the minimum wage goes up?
Show us the numbers on that. I'm thinking kiosks might be cheaper.
Frankly, were I a member of that local community, I'd be all about a way to squeeze the shit out the pricks who just fired half my local tax base and imported a bunch of fucking Somalis into my town to crap in local urinals and run down local property values, for their own fucking benefit...but that's another subject.
The Great Depression is over. The economy hasn't been that bad since.Wrong. They hire the older adults at the same wage they pay the newbies, and the adults are glad to have a job in a tight job market and a lousy economy.That's fucking ridiculous. Were that true, McDonald's would pay enough to attract experienced older reliable manageable adults in the first place.What happens is, when you raise the minimum wage, the unskilled, new entry-level teenage workers can't get jobs because more experienced, older, more reliable and more manageable unemployed adults take the jobs from them....
"I need a doublebaconjumbo cheeseburger and a ..."litercoke". It's for Seth."The choice for the employer is a) hire a pimply-faced teenager with no work experience and no track record of reliability and spend a great deal of time training and supervising them to make them productive; or b) hire an unemployed adult with a work history who understands how retail works and is more interested in getting a paycheck and keeping the customers and boss happy so they can put food on the table than they are in texting their high-school buddies, gossiping, taking baths in the dish sink when the boss isn't around and hocking lugis in customer's food because they hate their job, hate the customers, and get pissed off when a customer actually makes them work.
Let me tell ya about the majority of adults who consider it worth their time to slide around on a greasy fast food floor for minimum wage...they're more likely to spit in your burger than some naive kid working his first job.
Reliable squared-away adults with anything on the ball rarely have to work for part-time McWages for very long. There are a lot more opportunities for them out there, and they know it. Any grownup who spends enough time washing lettuce at McDonald's to rate as "Reliable" is usually some sort of fuckedup loser with serious "problems" who has to be told to wash his filthy McSmock because it's disgusting his coworkers. Ewww.
Tell me about it. That's why McDonald's would rather hire kids from decent homes working to rice out their cars - they actually have goals in life... and bathe on some sort of regular basis.What employer is going to put up with that if he doesn't have to? An incredibly stupid one perhaps, but he'll be out of business soon enough if he doesn't think about his bottom line and his customer's satisfaction ahead of his employees whining about low pay.
Bullshit. Those kids are there to make their employers money. Period.The whole reason you get pimply-faced burger-flippers who dis the customers and spit in the food when the economy is good is because nobody else wants to do the job and they can all find higher-paying and more satisfactory jobs elsewhere. Fast food is, and has always been an entry-level unskilled position suitable for high school kids looking for some extra pocket money. It's not and never has been a good career choice for an adult.
Nor should it be. We need some industries where new workers can stretch and exercise their working wings and learn how business actually functions and where they can be taught a good work ethic, otherwise the incompetence just works its way up the employment chain, to the detriment of the economy and the customer. And we need an industry that can be a screener for the rest of the business world that will weed out the perpetual slackers and idlers early on so the economy doesn't waste unnecessary resources trying to train the untrainable.
Or organize and strike so all the people coming in behind you have it better.If you don't like the fast-food wages, then for fuck's sake go find another job and leave the burger-flipping to somebody who appreciates having a job at all.
Another frozen concept. When there's more $$ in the system, everyone makes more $$ and more opportunities are created. It "trickles up" over time. Wealth is created.The economic tide does not rise when the government imposes minimum wage laws, it just tilts the bowl. Every dime of increased minimum wage comes out of the pocket of somebody else and is transferred to the worker, and all the other negative consequences are just magnified.A rising tide raises all boats. Deal with it.
I don't see you complaining when oil companies give themselves a raise, but it's 'detrimental to the economy as a whole' when fast food workers try to do it? Naa.