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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by laklak » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:56 am

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to make sure.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Seth » Sat Aug 31, 2013 3:28 am

laklak wrote:I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to make sure.
"...It's the only way to BE sure..."

Frigg'in amateurs...

In this case, just letting them stew in their own juices is the most economical plan.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Hermit » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:49 am

Scrumple wrote:
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
I'm not predicting these days....I'm reporting. Must have hit my lucky minute? :{D
Scrumple wrote:I can understand why people, even bright people, look on the bright-side given the likely reality of the next few years/decades.
^^^Notaprediction^^^ :hehe:
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by cronus » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:11 am

Hermit wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
I'm not predicting these days....I'm reporting. Must have hit my lucky minute? :{D
Scrumple wrote:I can understand why people, even bright people, look on the bright-side given the likely reality of the next few years/decades.
^^^Notaprediction^^^ :hehe:
Looking forward with a high certainty is not predicting. If you want to go all Spock-Anal and split hairs on the issue you are missing my point.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Cormac » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:18 am

Scrumple wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
I'm not predicting these days....I'm reporting. Must have hit my lucky minute? :{D
Scrumple wrote:I can understand why people, even bright people, look on the bright-side given the likely reality of the next few years/decades.
^^^Notaprediction^^^ :hehe:
Looking forward with a high certainty is not predicting. If you want to go all Spock-Anal and split hairs on the issue you are missing my point.
Ehmmm. Yep. That was a prediction.

"High Certainty"? You may be certain, but the future ain't.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by cronus » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:23 am

Everyone sees the future differently. But you can't prevent a train crashing on a corner by going faster. :coffee:
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Post by Cormac » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:15 am

Scrumple wrote:Everyone sees the future differently. But you can't prevent a train crashing on a corner by going faster. :coffee:

1. Your assumption is the usual erroneous one - assuming that all conditions remain the same, and that nothing unexpected happens.
2. You are still predicting, which is fallacious.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Hermit » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:11 am

Scrumple wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
I'm not predicting these days....I'm reporting. Must have hit my lucky minute? :{D
Scrumple wrote:I can understand why people, even bright people, look on the bright-side given the likely reality of the next few years/decades.
^^^Notaprediction^^^ :hehe:
Looking forward with a high certainty is not predicting. If you want to go all Spock-Anal and split hairs on the issue you are missing my point.
No splitting of hairs involved on my part. Regardless of whether your prognostication turns out to be correct in the next few years/decades, and no matter how certain you are of it, you are saying what will happen in the future. That just so happens to be the definition of "prediction". The word comes from the Latin praedicatus, which is formed from joining two words, pre (before) and dicere (to say). Prediction, then is saying that something will happen before it happens, which is precisely what you have done.

Now, for my predictions. Two for the price of one:

1. You will concede that the bit of your earlier post I bolded is a prediction after all.
2. The sun will rise tomorrow.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by cronus » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:15 am

I'm not seeing any changes that are promising in the NOW. Very likely the coming oil price rise, in the aftermath of Syria/Iran, will once more destabilise the global economy and local bailouts completely fracture world trade, the dollar and other currencies will collapse in value and then the ink will run out with hyperinflation. It's a prediction in the way you see a gang of hooligans approaching. Might be wrong. Worth the effort to cross the road though. Or in my case stock up on bottle water/beans. If I'm wrong nine times in ten...I've lost nothing, nothing at all.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by lordpasternack » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:04 am

The Onion sums the situation up well.
So, What’s It Going To Be?

By Bashar Al-Assad

Well, here we are. It’s been two years of fighting, over 100,000 people are dead, there are no signs of this war ending, and a week ago I used chemical weapons on my own people. If you don’t do anything about it, thousands of Syrians are going to die. If you do something about it, thousands of Syrians are going to die. Morally speaking, you’re on the hook for those deaths no matter how you look at it.

So, it’s your move, America. What’s it going to be?

I’ve looked at your options, and I’m going to be honest here, I feel for you. Not exactly an embarrassment of riches you’ve got to choose from, strategy-wise. I mean, my God, there are just so many variables to consider, so many possible paths to choose, each fraught with incredible peril, and each leading back to the very real, very likely possibility that no matter what you do it’s going to backfire in a big, big way. It’s a good old-fashioned mess, is what this is! And now, you have to make some sort of decision that you can live with.

...

Well, you could play small-ball and hope that limited airstrikes to a few of my key military installations will send me the message to refrain from using chemical weapons again, but, c’mon, check me out: I’m ruthless, I’m desperate, and I’m going to do everything I can to stay in power. I’d use chemical weapons again in a heartbeat. You know that. And I know you know that...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/so-wha ... -be,33662/
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Post by Azathoth » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:05 am

Seth wrote:
In this case, just letting them stew in their own juices is the most economical plan.
:this:

Totalitatian nutcases or islamic fundamentalist nutcases. Who gives a fuck which one wins they are still going to be trouble and it will still be a shithole to live in
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Post by Audley Strange » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:21 am

Exactly. There is only so much sympathy I have for those who perpetually breed in famine zones and there is only so much sympathy I have the actors in "Islam: The Shake Up" I mean it's a terrible human tragedy, but not of our making.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:05 pm

It's hard to know what to believe.
If Asad did use chemical weapons, then I think they should be hit very hard. I have no reservations about that at all.
The only reservations that I have is whether he did.

John Kerry WAS very persuasive, but that's his job. And, is he just blindly accepting what he's told, or has he seen undeniable evidence that it was Asad's side who used the chems, and the size and scale of it?

This is the problem that the USA has inherited, people no longer believe what they say. That's the damage, done by that lying shit, George Bush. The talk about America's lost credibility and respect was that, just talk, until now.
Now it's becoming obvious that it's a real problem, of real practical politics. And it's going to take YEARS before US intelligence will be believed again.

My first reaction was that it was the rebels who had most to gain from the chemical weapons use, so it was probably them.
Of course, this is the middle east, so logic doesn't necessarily apply. But on balance, I though it would have been the rebels
Putin said almost exactly the same thing, just now on my tv.

But John Kerry SEEMED to be putting his reputation on the line, with his statement. It needs careful study, to see if he left himself an out, with the wording.

But as it stands, I agree with Putin. If you have the evidence, lets see it. I want to believe you, but I need more.
And that's how most of the world seems to view it.

Putin is actually saying what the majority of the USA people think. Fine words, but show us what you've got.
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Post by Hermit » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:04 pm

mistermack wrote:John Kerry WAS very persuasive, but that's his job. And, is he just blindly accepting what he's told, or has he seen undeniable evidence that it was Asad's side who used the chems, and the size and scale of it?
"We know Assad bought mountains of chemical weapons. We keep the receipts in the bottom drawer."

I don't really care for who has them. Either way, thousands of people who are not remotely interested in participating in a war have been killed and will continue to be killed. And the outcome of it? Either a personal or a religious dictatorship. Lovely prospects for the Syrian people, aye?
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Trinity » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:09 pm

Shit. The US could probably evacuate vulnerable citizens, set up refugee camps and let the nutters gas each other out. It would cost less, I'm sure.

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