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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Svartalf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:02 am

Scrumple wrote:Stakes ratchet up one. Iran plays a card and it's a good one in their circumstance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world ... .html?_r=0

Strike on Syria Would Cause One on Israel, Iran Declares

Iranian lawmakers and commanders issued stark warnings to the United States and its allies on Tuesday, saying any military strike on Syria would lead to a retaliatory attack on Israel fanned by “the flames of outrage.”

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Iran really wants to be glassed?
If they strike Israel, I doubt the Jews will have any qualms about nuclear response.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by cronus » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:08 am

AWACS took off from the airbase down the road five minutes ago. That's something they don't do very often these days. Cost of fuel I guess. :coffee:
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:25 am

Svartalf wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Stakes ratchet up one. Iran plays a card and it's a good one in their circumstance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world ... .html?_r=0

Strike on Syria Would Cause One on Israel, Iran Declares

Iranian lawmakers and commanders issued stark warnings to the United States and its allies on Tuesday, saying any military strike on Syria would lead to a retaliatory attack on Israel fanned by “the flames of outrage.”

(continued)
Iran really wants to be glassed?
If they strike Israel, I doubt the Jews will have any qualms about nuclear response.
I'm sure they wouldn't strike Israel. Iran seems good at playing the rhetoric game. They never seem to follow through, though.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by klr » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:26 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Stakes ratchet up one. Iran plays a card and it's a good one in their circumstance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world ... .html?_r=0

Strike on Syria Would Cause One on Israel, Iran Declares

Iranian lawmakers and commanders issued stark warnings to the United States and its allies on Tuesday, saying any military strike on Syria would lead to a retaliatory attack on Israel fanned by “the flames of outrage.”

(continued)
Iran really wants to be glassed?
If they strike Israel, I doubt the Jews will have any qualms about nuclear response.
I'm sure they wouldn't strike Israel. Iran seems good at playing the rhetoric game. They never seem to follow through, though.
Iran wouldn't strike Israel directly. It would just get some terrorist or militia group to do it, same as before.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by cronus » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:36 am

It's official. We are all going together.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by ronmcd » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:46 am

Just watched a US pundit on Fox news. Paraphrasing : "I've seen no evidence it wasn't the Assad regime, so bombs away". Now that's fucked up.

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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Svartalf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:53 am

klr wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Stakes ratchet up one. Iran plays a card and it's a good one in their circumstance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world ... .html?_r=0

Strike on Syria Would Cause One on Israel, Iran Declares

Iranian lawmakers and commanders issued stark warnings to the United States and its allies on Tuesday, saying any military strike on Syria would lead to a retaliatory attack on Israel fanned by “the flames of outrage.”

(continued)
Iran really wants to be glassed?
If they strike Israel, I doubt the Jews will have any qualms about nuclear response.
I'm sure they wouldn't strike Israel. Iran seems good at playing the rhetoric game. They never seem to follow through, though.
Iran wouldn't strike Israel directly. It would just get some terrorist or militia group to do it, same as before.
I just wonder how long israel will stand the hizbollah attacks without retaliating at the source... from their rhetoric and saber rattling, they are actively searching for an excuse.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:55 am

The security services will have to stop reading everyones emails for a mo and cobble together Dodgy Dossier II
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:01 am

US attacks Syria
Syria attacks Israel
Israel attacks Syria
Russia attacks Israel
US attacks Russia
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by klr » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:07 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:The security services will have to stop reading everyones emails for a mo and cobble together Dodgy Dossier II
Why am I imagining scenes from In The Loop just now?
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:10 am

Would the USN be a love and "accidentally" torpedo whichever yacht Tony Blair is on? Acceptable collateral damage
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Clinton Huxley wrote:The security services will have to stop reading everyones emails for a mo and cobble together Dodgy Dossier II

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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:36 am

Ugh this is fucking ugly.

Putin's not stupid, but he has the mentality of the head of an organised crime outfit. So I hope this is little more than a concession grab from him. I'm not sure he gives a flying fuck about who runs Syria as long as the contracts he has with the nation are kept in place. I'm not sure his country is "match fit" to take some kind of international stance either. But hey, guys like him can be unpredictable.
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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:02 pm

klr wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:So, where is the proof? http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/08/ ... ely-wrong/

Anyone interested?
That page just won't load for me, but going by the link, some Syrian government official is dissing the claim that the Assad regime carried out the attack.

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Of course, but don't we need proof? Or, do we just trust the President and the Prime Minister when they say they have evidence............?

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Re: The Syrian Invasion

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:08 pm

mistermack wrote:America and the other western powers sowed the seeds for this a while ago.
Probably better phrased as Britain, France and the other western powers sowed the seeds quite a while ago, given that it stretches at least back to World War 1 and the European colonial wars, and the French Mandate and British Mandate for Palestine... but, sure.
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All this bollocks about red lines being crossed, was an open invitation to the Syrian Opposition. If the war starts to go badly for you, you have a last resort.
Let off a chemical weapon on your own people, and the West will give Asad a kicking.
The "attacks your own people" line wasn't good enough in 2003. I wonder why it's good enough now. In Iraq, for example, we had allegations of WMD production, and also the humanitarian "attacks and tortures and murders his own people" evidence (all that attacking his own people stuff was very much true, and not limited to the chemical attacks on the Kurds) -- yet that internal stuff, according to many of those who seem to think a Syrian intervention is warranted, was not enough then.

Fuck, Biden threatened to spearhead impeachment proceedings against Bush if he took military action without Congressional approval. Now we hear none of that.
mistermack wrote: It was pretty obvious that this was coming, if the balance of the fighting went against the opposition.
The opposition being Al Qaeda. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 86680.html

mistermack wrote: That's not to say that the government side didn't set off the chemical weapon. But if I had to bet my life, I would bet it was the other side.

Anyway, they are treating it as if it was Asad. Unless they publish the proof, that's absolute bollocks.
It's fifty-fifty at the absolute best. I personally think it's odds-on the opposition.
They have the motive. Asad has no motive, he's already winning.
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