Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Robert_S » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:26 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:How come we never talk about the credibility or international standing of the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or whatever other first world countries that are so great?
I understand its relatively straightforward to start a new thread.
What button to I shoot at to make that happen?
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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:28 am

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Clinton Huxley wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:How come we never talk about the credibility or international standing of the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or whatever other first world countries that are so great?
I understand its relatively straightforward to start a new thread.
What button to I shoot at to make that happen?
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Post by pErvinalia » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:33 am

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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Cormac » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:21 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23721918
On the streets of Cairo it's not just a fledgling democracy that lies in ruin. US policy too lies in tatters - in the eyes of many - or at least America's reputation and credibility.

Since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak in 2011, the US has struggled to strike a balance between support for the tenuous progress towards democracy and protection of its national security interests.

The White House has tried hard to work with whoever is in power in Egypt but has ended up with no friends and little influence in Cairo.

Washington's recent diplomatic efforts in Egypt have failed one after the other. Up until his removal from power, the US tried to counsel Mr Morsi to accept a compromise with the army and the protesters.

The US also appealed to the military not to remove Mr Morsi. After the coup, Deputy Secretary of State Bill Burns travelled to Cairo twice to help mediate between the military and the Muslim Brotherhood. But even getting an audience in Cairo these days is a hard task for US officials.

The US refrained from calling Mr Morsi's removal a coup for fear of upsetting the country's generals and the millions who demanded Mr Morsi's departure.
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What is your view of what US credibility was before these events?
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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:40 pm

Meh, Egyptians probably didn't like us much anyways.
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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Tero » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:55 pm

What, it's our problem they could not invent democracy in several thousand years? Perhaps their resources and poor economy prevents democracy. They can just revive the old system:
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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by HomerJay » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:55 pm

Collector1337 wrote:How come we never talk about the credibility or international standing of the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or whatever other first world countries that are so great?
Yeah, what's Canada up to anyway?

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Post by HomerJay » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:56 pm

Egyptians divided on the issue?

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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Warren Dew » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:30 pm

Seth wrote:Europe should be kissing our feet for making them what they are today.
A shrinking minority of Europeans personally remember WWII, and a growing fraction aren't even old enough to remember the Cold War.

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Post by Tero » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:10 pm

There isn't much to remember about the cold war. Our president went hunting with Brezhnev and shot at boars someone chased into view. There was a retired army dude behind him who shot the boar within a second if the president missed.

It was mostly an embarrassment. But crime was lower, no Russian mafia outside Russia.

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Post by Tero » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:28 pm

Drewish, where have you been? There's nobody to refute my rebuttals of the usual libertarian claims.

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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Warren Dew » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:29 am

Tero wrote:There isn't much to remember about the cold war.
I bet a lot of middle aged Europeans remember, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Hermit » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:36 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Tero wrote:There isn't much to remember about the cold war.
I bet a lot of middle aged Europeans remember, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
They may well do so, but for the rest? When some people cannot put a pin on a map to locate Poland or think that Europe is a country?
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Post by pErvinalia » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:03 am

It's near the country of Islam, isn't it? ;)
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Re: Is the United States' Credibility in Tatters?

Post by Warren Dew » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:29 am

Hermit wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Tero wrote:There isn't much to remember about the cold war.
I bet a lot of middle aged Europeans remember, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
They may well do so, but for the rest? When some people cannot put a pin on a map to locate Poland or think that Europe is a country?
You think a lot of Europeans don't know where Poland is?

Granted Hollande seems to think Europe is a country.

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