White on White Crime

[Audley Strange]

Oh I'm not saying you're completely there, nowhere is. However I do think that it is kept in place well past it's date by vested interests which are a minority, much like sectarianism is here.

As for racial differences in economics. Well you know in his own vile way Tyrannical hit the nail on the head. I commend him for pointing out something so obvious and so offensive to our sensibilities now that we do forget it and react badly to it but he was right. Black people were brought to America predominantly as farm-tools, the cheapest labour. Obviously when you are starting below the working class and then having to compete with that traditional working class this has going to have a negative economic effect on both communities. "they took ahr jerbs!!!" Needless to say that sort of thing is Racism's breeding ground.

Well of course there is a potential audience, many people don't wish to admit that they have something to do with their own fate, so anyone claiming there is a culprit absolves them of even thinking about it.

[Seth]

Why do Americans feel they have to divide everyone into races?

Americans don't. Race-baiters do. And it comes from both sides of the melanin scale.

[rainbow]

13% of the population commits 52.5% of all homicides, while 78% of the population commits 45.3%? This is supposed to show, well, what, exactly?

Poor people commit more crimes than rich people.

[charlou]

Why do Americans feel they have to divide everyone into races?

People everywhere seem to find it necessary .. and not just about negative things. An example just seen on Australian children's television, a coach talking positively about the increasing diversity of players in the football competition ... "whites, blacks and even Asians" ...

I'm with Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it.

[Animavore]

Why do Americans feel they have to divide everyone into races?

People everywhere seem to find it necessary .. and not just about negative things. An example just seen on Australian children's television, a coach talking positively about the increasing diversity of players in the football competition ... "whites, blacks and even Asians" ...

I'm with Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it.

Well certainly countries which have histories of racial oppression seem to be hung up on race.
I guess being in a country which has only had racial diversity in very recent history we, Irish that is, missed out on all the nuance associated with the racism we see in UK, Europe, USA and Australia/New Zealand. These are countries which enslaved people and then had to go through the slaves rebelling. I can imagine why the bitterness would thrive after generations.

[Cormac]

Why do Americans feel they have to divide everyone into races?

People everywhere seem to find it necessary .. and not just about negative things. An example just seen on Australian children's television, a coach talking positively about the increasing diversity of players in the football competition ... "whites, blacks and even Asians" ...

I'm with Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it.

Well certainly countries which have histories of racial oppression seem to be hung up on race.
I guess being in a country which has only had racial diversity in very recent history we, Irish that is, missed out on all the nuance associated with the racism we see in UK, Europe, USA and Australia/New Zealand. These are countries which enslaved people and then had to go through the slaves rebelling. I can imagine why the bitterness would thrive after generations.

Although, it didn't take very long for our countrymen to start immitating the racism they've seen elsewhere.

We do, now, have racism in Ireland.

We probably had "then" too, but the absence of people who were superficially different rendered it invisible, nearly. I recall hearing lots of racist jokes as I was growing up.

The flipside of that is that there have always been those amongst us who publicly put themselves on the line against racism - including, when I was young, Dunnes Stores workers who went out on strike against having to handle Outspan Oranges - a product from South Africa that benefited from the Apartheid regime.

I do think that the current rise in racism is temporary, and that it will fall back as children of immigrants become more visible and prominent in public life. Although it will never disappear entirely - in the same way that there'll always be a proportion of the population that are assholes.

[pErvinalia]

Where's Tyrannical? He'll sort all this out.

[laklak]

I just read the entire article, something I wish I hadn't done, TBH. It's as vile a piece or racist nonsense as anything I've seen from Storm Front. "This black woman is tired", well yeah, apparently. Certainly too tired to understand elementary statistics. Fuck me, I'm sick to death of this sort of bullshit race baiting. Fuck all of them, from Storm Front to the NAACP, David Duke to Al Sharpton. What a bunch of wankers.

[Robert_S]

13% of the population commits 52.5% of all homicides, while 78% of the population commits 45.3%? This is supposed to show, well, what, exactly?

Poor people commit more crimes than rich people.

Maybe, It might also depend on what kinds of crimes you're looking at.

[Azathoth]

1. Black people seem to have better family values.
2. I don't want to work with a white guy in the USA!

And for sure don't leave a white guy alone with your food!

I would be willing to put money on the majority of poisonings being women

[Tero]

13% of the population commits 52.5% of all homicides, while 78% of the population commits 45.3%? This is supposed to show, well, what, exactly?

Poor people commit more crimes than rich people.

And these were all needless homicides. Of course rich people don't care, less poor people to feed. The victims are just one economic level above the criminals. The criminals go to the nearest neighborhood that has something to rob.

[Robert_S]

13% of the population commits 52.5% of all homicides, while 78% of the population commits 45.3%? This is supposed to show, well, what, exactly?

Poor people commit more crimes than rich people.

And these were all needless homicides. Of course rich people don't care, less poor people to feed. The victims are just one economic level above the criminals. The criminals go to the nearest neighborhood that has something to rob.

Sometimes they don't go to other neighborhoods. Depending on the disposition of the criminal, they might rob three houses down. They might have been in that house once or twice and know what and where the valuable and security measures are.

Or sometimes they're well off and yet steal on a large scale from the haves, have nots and everyone in between. Like a few Illinois governors.

[Tyrannical]

Criminals are often poor because their anti-social behavior is not conducive for holding a good paying job.

Now I'm not saying all poor people are criminals and poverty causes crime unlike some people. But people that commit crimes are likely to have dropped out of high school, use violence, steal, lazy; all things that would prevent them from ever get a decent middle class job. They aren't criminal because they are poor, they are poor because they are criminals.

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, that's all good, but what about skin colour?

[Robert_S]

Criminals are often poor because their anti-social behavior is not conducive for holding a good paying job.

Now I'm not saying all poor people are criminals and poverty causes crime unlike some people. But people that commit crimes are likely to have dropped out of high school, use violence, steal, lazy; all things that would prevent them from ever get a decent middle class job. They aren't criminal because they are poor, they are poor because they are criminals.

Poverty makes certain crimes more appealing and certain methods more practical.