Yup. "I will make you all less free so you can be more free!"Pappa wrote:Obviously this screams "knee-jerk".
Let the bigots and the hate-mongers speak - that's how we tell that they're bigots and hate-mongers.
Yup. "I will make you all less free so you can be more free!"Pappa wrote:Obviously this screams "knee-jerk".
Some good points, mm...mistermack wrote:It's very hard to accurately word a law on speech crime.
What could "encouraging a crime" actually mean? If I said " fuck Cameron " am I inciting someone to sexually assault the prime minister? And does it make a difference if someone actually does do what I urged?
For instance, if I said "someone ought to give so-and-so a good hiding, that's one thing. But what if someone DID then give them a good hiding. Does that affect the seriousness of my crime? Even though I was being rhetorical?
In the end, you have to write the law a bit vaguely, and leave it to a court to decide the individual case.
You think the EDL doesn't have clever guys behind the scenes? You just get to see the footsoldiers who get sent out to cause troubleMrJonno wrote:Incompetent organisations like the EDL don't get banned they get infiltrated by the police through to be honest I'm more concerned about UKIP. They have real sources and a few brain cells between them
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Nah the BNP has a couple but the EDL is for people who think the BNP is too intellectualAzathoth wrote:You think the EDL doesn't have clever guys behind the scenes? You just get to see the footsoldiers who get sent out to cause troubleMrJonno wrote:Incompetent organisations like the EDL don't get banned they get infiltrated by the police through to be honest I'm more concerned about UKIP. They have real sources and a few brain cells between them
Brian Peacock wrote:Yup. "I will make you all less free so you can be more free!"Pappa wrote:Obviously this screams "knee-jerk".
Let the bigots and the hate-mongers speak - that's how we tell that they're bigots and hate-mongers.
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
IDMD2Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
That's a bug, not a feature.MrJonno wrote:No we don't tolerate unlimited 'free' speech just like every other country including the US.Warren Dew wrote: Since when does the UK care about free speech? They've got hate speech laws; might as well apply them evenhandedly.
The definition of Extremism is, "Acting outside the norm".Unlimited anything is the very definition of extremism
No hate law ever created so far has been fair, reasonable, or properly enforced. They are invariably overbroad, in that they capture speech which ought to be permissible, and they are invariably vague in that it is difficult if not impossible to predict which speech is prohibited and which is permitted (making it difficult or impossible for the citizenry to comply even if they want to, except by self censoring to the point of ensuring that they are nowhere near the mile-wide and fuzzy grey line).macdoc wrote:good on Cameron......hate laws have their place.....use em.
Bullshitpiscator wrote: The definition of Extremism is, "Acting outside the norm".
Sir Figg Newton wrote:If I have seen further than others, it is only because I am surrounded by midgets.
IDMD2Cormac wrote:Doom predictors have been with humans right through our history. They are like the proverbial stopped clock - right twice a day, but not due to the efficacy of their prescience.
I'd say you can be extreme without killing people over it. I'd call that "violent extremism".Audley Strange wrote:I'd say extremism is defined by your willingness to kill others in order to fulfil your political or cultural ideology.
That should still be sufficient, no?Pappa wrote:I just read that our incitement laws were abolished in 2007 and replaced with "encouraging or assisting a crime".
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