British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows

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British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows

Post by Pappa » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:07 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 97821.html
British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows

Research shows public opinion often deviates from facts on key social issues including crime, benefit fraud and immigration

A new survey for the Royal Statistical Society and King's College London shows public opinion is repeatedly off the mark on issues including crime, benefit fraud and immigration.

The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75, lists ten misconceptions held by the British public. Among the biggest misconceptions are:

- Benefit fraud: the public think that £24 of every £100 of benefits is fraudulently claimed. Official estimates are that just 70 pence in every £100 is fraudulent - so the public conception is out by a factor of 34.

- Immigration: some 31 per cent of the population is thought to consist of recent immigrants, when the figure is actually 13 per cent. Even including illegal immigrants, the figure is only about 15 per cent. On the issue of ethnicity, black and Asian people are thought to make up 30 per cent of the population, when the figure is closer to 11 per cent.

- Crime: some 58 per cent of people do not believe crime is falling, when the Crime Survey for England and Wales shows that incidents of crime were 19 per cent lower in 2012 than in 2006/07 and 53 per cent lower than in 1995. Some 51 per cent think violent crime is rising, when it has fallen from almost 2.5 million incidents in 2006/07 to under 2 million in 2012.

- Teen pregnancy is thought to be 25 times higher than the official estimates: 15 per cent of of girls under 16 are thought to become pregnant every year, when official figures say the amount is closer to 0.6 per cent.

Among the other surprising figures are that 26 per cent of people think foreign aid is in the top three items the Government spends money on (it actually makes up just 1.1 per cent of expenditure), and that 29 per cent of people think more is spent on Jobseekers' Allowance than pensions.

In fact we spend 15 times more on pensions - £4.9 billion on JSA vs £74.2 billion on pensions.

Hetan Shah, executive director of the Royal Statistical Society, said: "Our data poses real challenges for policymakers. How can you develop good policy when public perceptions can be so out of kilter with the evidence?

"We need to see three things happen. First, politicians need to be better at talking about the real state of affairs of the country, rather than spinning the numbers. Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise.

"And finally we need better teaching of statistical literacy in schools, so that people get more comfortable in understanding evidence."

Bobby Duffy, the managing director of Ipsos Mori Social Research Institute, said: "A lack of trust in government information is also very evident in other questions in the survey - so 'myth-busting' is likely to prove a challenge on many of these issues. But it is still useful to understand where people get their facts most wrong."
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Post by Audley Strange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:27 pm

Hooray for a free press!
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Post by Trinity » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:06 pm

How can a sample of just over 1,000 people fairly represent the British population?

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Post by NineBerry » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Trinity wrote:How can a sample of just over 1,000 people fairly represent the British population?
the Law of Large Numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

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Post by Audley Strange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:40 pm

Trinity wrote:How can a sample of just over 1,000 people fairly represent the British population?
Well after me asking that very thing w/r to another survey carried out whose methodology I found suspect, I was educated in how it is not actually the numbers that are the issue but what questions are asked and that 1000 people may well fairly representative if they are chosen with care. However it seems to have become a habit that asking any number of people and turning it into a percentage and claiming that as a fair representation is common.

I'm probably wrong about that according to some surveys.

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Post by Thinking Aloud » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:49 pm

Trinity wrote:How can a sample of just over 1,000 people fairly represent the British population?
Statistics show that a sample of 1000 or so people fairly represents the British population, according to a recent survey.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:59 pm

Buck up, Brits. Everyone knows that the Merkin public is far more wrong about far more things than you folks.

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Post by Thinking Aloud » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:59 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Buck up, Brits. Everyone knows that the Merkin public is far more wrong about far more things than you folks.
We're far far better at putting ourselves down.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:04 pm

Thinking Aloud wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:Buck up, Brits. Everyone knows that the Merkin public is far more wrong about far more things than you folks.
We're far far better at putting ourselves down.
Probably something done in private....

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Post by Tero » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:15 pm

I asked a group, and 33.33% were not quite sure what this United Kingdom was. They thought it was Arabs.

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Post by Beatsong » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:21 pm

Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise.
LOL. Good luck with that.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:24 pm

Beatsong wrote:
Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise.
LOL. Good luck with that.
There ought to be a government ministry to ensure that the media is properly illuminating issues.

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Post by Audley Strange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:19 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Beatsong wrote:
Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise.
LOL. Good luck with that.
There ought to be a government ministry to ensure that the media is properly illuminating issues.
See, that's funny. :tup:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:25 pm

The Ministry of Proper Reporting.



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Re: British public wrong about nearly everything, survey sho

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:23 pm

Audley Strange wrote:Hooray for a free press!
Infuckingdeed.
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