Ah, Those Catholic School Girls...

[Warren Dew]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

[Seth]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

Well, there 'ya go...

Maybe Pius had a really good public relations manager...

[JimC]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody. Just anecdotes.

Ever hear of "spontaneous remission?"

There are plenty of examples of "healings" that are not attributable to anything medical science understands.

So what causes them?

The fact that people sometimes just get better detracts from your claims rather than backing them up.

Yes.

One would need evidence that a statistically significantly greater proportion of people have spontaneous remission after being Poped than without being Poped...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody with magic. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

Sorry, note my edit.

[Seth]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody. Just anecdotes.

Ever hear of "spontaneous remission?"

There are plenty of examples of "healings" that are not attributable to anything medical science understands.

So what causes them?

The fact that people sometimes just get better detracts from your claims rather than backing them up.

Yes.

One would need evidence that a statistically significantly greater proportion of people have spontaneous remission after being Poped than without being Poped...

So where's the double-blind study confirming your thesis?

[Seth]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody with magic. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

Sorry, note my edit.

That's what we like to call a mendacious red herring.

Who says Pius had to use "magic," whatever that is? Who was it that said "Any sufficiently advanced technology will have the appearance of magic"?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That's what we like to call a mendacious red herring.

You have a rat in your pocket?

Who says Pius had to use "magic," whatever that is?

Pius had to have used magic, because he didn't have anything else. Pius's job was to sell magic to the ignorant masses.

Who was it that said "Any sufficiently advanced technology will have the appearance of magic"?

Close.

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Note that he does not say it IS magic, just that we couldn't tell the difference. It is NOT magic, it's technology and technology doesn't work on magic.

[Warren Dew]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody with magic. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

Sorry, note my edit.

Spoilsport!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Healing powers me arse. If I had a penny for every person I've met who claimed to have healing powers I'd have 59p. Sure, it's possible Pius could have been "the real deal", different to every other fraud in the broad sense but without some sort of evidence he did then why believe that over he was just another pious fraud?

There's no evidence anybody ever healed anybody with magic. Just anecdotes.

People heal people all the time. Our pediatrician healed my daughter by prescribing antibiotics just last week.

I'm not sure he's going to get sainted for it, though.

Sorry, note my edit.

Spoilsport!

It's the Rule of Iforgottostateeverydamnthingexplicitly at work.

[Seth]

That's what we like to call a mendacious red herring.

You have a rat in your pocket?

No, that's the Royal "We".

Who says Pius had to use "magic," whatever that is?

Pius had to have used magic, because he didn't have anything else.

And you know this how, exactly? You were there? I think not. Perhaps he was a time-traveler who brought back with him a futuristic device that heals the sick that just LOOKS like magic to ignorant people of the past.

Pius's job was to sell magic to the ignorant masses.

Last I heard that wasn't in the job description for Pope.

Who was it that said "Any sufficiently advanced technology will have the appearance of magic"?

Close.

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Note that he does not say it IS magic, just that we couldn't tell the difference. It is NOT magic, it's technology and technology doesn't work on magic.

Let me formulate a corollary quote: "Any sufficiently primitive scientific knowledge or understanding will lead to any sufficiently advanced technology having the appearance of magic."

Your scientific knowledge is primitive and incomplete, therefore you are unqualified to judge whether Pius was purveying "magic" or engaging advanced technology.

And since "science" requires evidence upon which you base a conclusion, your conclusion is fallacious because it is not based on evidence, it is based on ignorant opinion and bias.

QED.

[Animavore]

Sure, he could of been a time-traveller, but it was more likely he was another fraud like all the fucking rest of the so-called "healers". After all, we have evidence for the latter, plenty of it, but not for the former. Ergo there is no reason to choose the former over the latter if one were to hazard a guess which he was whether we were there or not.
But if you really believe he was a time traveller then make your case. Because as far as I can see that theory, if you can call it that, hasn't got any basis in reality.

[Sælir]

Could of been????
Is that something you say?

[Animavore]

Could of been????
Is that something you say?

Yeah. It is.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Could of been????
Is that something you say?

Yeah. It is.

You could of used better grammar.

[Animavore]

Could of been????
Is that something you say?

Yeah. It is.

You could of used better grammar.

I could've. But I didn't.