Go to London..but don't lose your head over it!

[Seabass]

Stop feeding him. You'll only make him stronger.

[Warren Dew]

If he's serious, then you're bothering to debate with someone who has all the deductive reasoning skills of a rhesus monkey. Either way, it's to his advantage.

It's not a zero sum game. If he learns something from Seth's analysis, or even if the analysis gives him pause for a moment. that's to the advantage of both him and us.

[Ian]

Perhaps you've not interacted with him before.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

there's no reasoning with you

[Galaxian]

galaxian .. How did the death happen, if not the way reported? Or do you not believe there's a dead man? There are a number of people involved in the investigation of a death and the handling of a dead body. Have you interviewed them?

This is the only half reasonable response I've read. But the points have already been answered or are obvious (such as, did you mention if it was dark that night & according to whose evidence?)

Your question about a dead man was answered here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1440214
and here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1440249

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved. Their answer was a deathly silence: There was no CCTV footage, no replies to the fact of the missing blood on the pavement, or the lack of blood on the "assailants'" clothes or cuffs or face. No reply to the fact that a crash severe enough to push in the front of the car didn't damage the sign post. No reply as to why the blood finally shown on the helicopter video didn't run downhill. No reply as to why the women in the first video are quite blase. No reply as to why it was reported as a beheading. No reply as to why the police took 20 minutes to get there, or why they treated the episode exactly like a harmless inquiry. ETC.

Dare say, YOU have answers to the above? Because the others don't have a clue, but can't admit it

[Clinton Huxley]

Yawn, a vanilla confection of bog-standard anomaly-hunting and subjective clap-trap.

[klr]

galaxian .. How did the death happen, if not the way reported? Or do you not believe there's a dead man? There are a number of people involved in the investigation of a death and the handling of a dead body. Have you interviewed them?

This is the only half reasonable response I've read. But the points have already been answered or are obvious (such as, did you mention if it was dark that night & according to whose evidence?)

Your question about a dead man was answered here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1440214
and here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 0#p1440249

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved. Their answer was a deathly silence: There was no CCTV footage, no replies to the fact of the missing blood on the pavement, or the lack of blood on the "assailants'" clothes or cuffs or face. No reply to the fact that a crash severe enough to push in the front of the car didn't damage the sign post. No reply as to why the blood finally shown on the helicopter video didn't run downhill. No reply as to why the women in the first video are quite blase. No reply as to why it was reported as a beheading. No reply as to why the police took 20 minutes to get there, or why they treated the episode exactly like a harmless inquiry. ETC.

Dare say, YOU have answers to the above? Because the others don't have a clue, but can't admit it

Now that is just ... plain weird.

[HomerJay]

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved.

[JimC]

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved.

Don't forget, we are talking Galaxian here, super secret agent extraordinaire, with powers undreamt of by the average Ratz...

Walter Mitty, eat your heat out...

[Seth]

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved. Their answer was a deathly silence:

Names and phone numbers please so I can call them and confirm that you're not lying.

There was no CCTV footage,

I explained that. Even the UK, with its tens of thousands of cameras doesn't cover every square foot of the island.

no replies to the fact of the missing blood on the pavement

I explained that. He exsanguinated (bled out) on the sidewalk, near the car, where there's lots of blood.

, or the lack of blood on the "assailants'" clothes or cuffs or face.

Given the fact that the one I saw was wearing a dark charcoal or black shirt, it's hardly unusual that you would not be able to distinguish blood on his clothes from a crappy cell-phone video. And there's no reason why he should have blood on his face. Perhaps he was NOT the one who did most of the hacking. I'm pretty sure that there's plenty of forensic evidence in the custody of the police that debunks all your claims. The fact that you aren't privy to that evidence doesn't provide any proof that it does not exist.

No reply to the fact that a crash severe enough to push in the front of the car didn't damage the sign post.

What was the sign constructed of? Details. What schedule is the pipe? How thick is the pipe wall? What kind of car was it? How much "crumple zone" is it designed with? I can tell you from experience that you can run into a pipe that's visually identical to the one that makes up that sign that will do exactly that to a car. It's called "drill stem" and it's got 1/4 inch or greater wall thickness and is incredibly strong.

No reply as to why the blood finally shown on the helicopter video didn't run downhill.

Where's your geodetic survey of the scene showing which direction the land slopes and at what angle? Do you know the properties of human blood? Did you know that it congeals very quickly and doesn't flow like water like what you see in the movies? Within moments it becomes more like pudding because the clotting factors cause it to gel when exposed to air.

No reply as to why the women in the first video are quite blase.

That's easily explainable. She's British. She's a sheeple. She has no experience with violence and doesn't know how to react, so she didn't react. Or perhaps she's a nurse or someone with some first aid training who knows that panic will not help anything. Plenty of reasons for her not to be running around screaming besides some wild-eyed conspiracy theory.

No reply as to why it was reported as a beheading.

Well, that's what it was.

No reply as to why the police took 20 minutes to get there, or why they treated the episode exactly like a harmless inquiry. ETC.

Now THAT I can answer quite clearly. It's because the UK police are a bunch of incompetent fuckwits who are so unused to violence that they just don't know what to do when faced with it. I'm far better trained than any but the most skilled tactical team member of the UK police...and likely at least AS well trained as they are.

Dare say, YOU have answers to the above? Because the others don't have a clue, but can't admit it

Or, more likely, they just declined to talk to a fuckwit conspiracy theorist whose trying to confirm his own delusional assumptions. And they were probably asked by the police NOT to talk to people about it so that their testimony will be untainted when they go to court to testify. That's absolutely routine where I come from.

Lots and lots of reasons much more simple than some complex Hollywood spy-story theory my friend.

[Jason]

I really want to start arguing with Seth by quoting his post a single word at a time and responding to each with a random bullshit generator.

[JimC]

I really want to start arguing with Seth by quoting his post a single word at a time and responding to each with a random bullshit generator.

Copy and paste any Galaxian post - close enough...

[Svartalf]

Making an acrostic of Seths posts would be more elegant

[Galaxian]

Yes, I've interviewed the people involved. Their answer was a deathly silence:

Names and phone numbers please so I can call them and confirm that you're not lying.

One of your poorer posts, Seth. The phone numbers are all available in directory inquiries, so do your own search. You'll get the same result that I did: total silence, no replies, bullshit replies (somewhat like your post here).

There was no CCTV footage,

I explained that. Even the UK, with its tens of thousands of cameras doesn't cover every square foot of the island.

There was CCTV footage, but they were never disclosed... or the cameras were out of action (like on 7/7). Or they might be released after a while...once they've been doctored.

no replies to the fact of the missing blood on the pavement

I explained that. He exsanguinated (bled out) on the sidewalk, near the car, where there's lots of blood.

You've just come back from Mars? You've not read my posts or watched the videos? It tends to help in following the debate. There was NO blood ANYWHERE. That includes the sidewalk. Let me spell it out: There was NO blood on the sidewalk (pavement in English), either near or far from the car.
Of course there may have been blood if or when he was killed before or after the event, miles away, somewhere else. I wouldn't know about that.
But at the site under question, there was no blood whatsoever, till the helicopter showed up. By then they had poured some blood onto the sidewalk, from a bottle. But that was long after he had been dragged to the road. The helicopter arrived after 25 minutes later. He had been dragged to the road very early on, say after 5 minutes. The blood on the sidewalk did not appear till a quarter hour after he had been dragged to the road. It was an afterthought. They had forgotten to pour it at the beginning.

, or the lack of blood on the "assailants'" clothes or cuffs or face.

Given the fact that the one I saw was wearing a dark charcoal or black shirt, it's hardly unusual that you would not be able to distinguish blood on his clothes from a crappy cell-phone video. And there's no reason why he should have blood on his face. Perhaps he was NOT the one who did most of the hacking. I'm pretty sure that there's plenty of forensic evidence in the custody of the police that debunks all your claims. The fact that you aren't privy to that evidence doesn't provide any proof that it does not exist.

Typical LAZY attitude. Like most others on this forum, you think Galaxian is retarded, so you don't bother to do the research, but it reflects back on yourself. One "assailant" had a light cream colored jacket, & it had NO blood anywhere on it. I pointed that out at the bottom of the post here: http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1444895
But because you WANT to trust the authorities, you glibly refuse to read my posts, & dismiss the bleedin' obvious. Am I upsetting you? Have I failed thus to win a convert to the liberation of the mind? Do I give a fuck? NO! I don't. Because if you wish to be so obstinate as to not read Galaxian's posts or research what is said in them, or think about it, would we even need you?

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 5#p1444895 No reply to the fact that a crash severe enough to push in the front of the car didn't damage the sign post.

What was the sign constructed of? Details. What schedule is the pipe? How thick is the pipe wall? What kind of car was it? How much "crumple zone" is it designed with? I can tell you from experience that you can run into a pipe that's visually identical to the one that makes up that sign that will do exactly that to a car. It's called "drill stem" and it's got 1/4 inch or greater wall thickness and is incredibly strong.

Seeing that you're writing this to a Principal Structural Engineer, your weasling excuse holds no water. Why didn't you tell us the specifications of the posts? I'll do the legwork, as usual:
The posts are 250 MPa, 101.6 x 4 CHS. They each have a maximum bending moment capacity of 8.58 kNm. The car had a mass of about 2000 kg inclusive of the contents. It struck the post at an average of 0.5m from its base. If traveling at a mere 10 m/s (which is quite slow, considering the degree of damage to the car), the force of the impact was 200kN. That gives us a BM of 100 kNm; which is 11.6 times greater than the elastic limit of the post.
In other words, the post goes into plastic failure, or buckling at a fraction of the force it experienced. But you say it was fixed with a spigot, an internal sleeve. Just suppose it was. Then the maximum bending moment capacity at the base would still be only 17 kNm. Still only one-sixth of the strength required. And I still haven't got to the turning moment of the footing.
Given that there's NO damage visible to either the post or its footing, as evidenced by the beautiful integrity of the paving slabs, do you really want me to do the footing analysis, Seth? Do you?

No reply as to why the blood finally shown on the helicopter video didn't run downhill.

Where's your geodetic survey of the scene showing which direction the land slopes and at what angle? Do you know the properties of human blood? Did you know that it congeals very quickly and doesn't flow like water like what you see in the movies? Within moments it becomes more like pudding because the clotting factors cause it to gel when exposed to air.

And I thought this was an atheistic forum. You lot sooo WANT to believe, don't you. There's obviously a cognitive dissonance going on here: Faschismus ist gut, Ist es nicht, mein herr?
I gave you a reference to the geodesic survey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyHXIYeEnSo
The gradient of the hill is almost 4 degrees, or 1:15 , which is easily enough for fresh blood to flow quickly. IF the hoax was real, the blood poured out at a rate of 4 litres per minute; fast enough that it would have formed a deep enough puddle to flow, & not have congealed before flowing downhill a significant distance.

The man had 5 litres of blood within him, of which 3 litres flowed out in less than 1 minute, due to the severing of the carotid arteries & jugular veins. By then he would be dead, & his heart would have stopped beating or had enough air entrapment that its contractions were ineffective.

The blood in the first minute was still at a temperature of about 25o C. Its average viscosity was 5 [cp] or 5 [mPa s]; just 5 times more than water! Using Manning's Equation, that means it would have flowed down the paving slabs at a velocity of at least 0.25 m/s. In just 15 seconds it would have flowed over 3m down the sidewalk.

Let's say that a lot spurted out before he fell, thus reducing the amount flowing out in one spot on the sidewalk. Then, we should have seen copious amounts all over the place. But we don't. And the amount flowing downhill should still have gone a considerable way, say 2m or more down hill. But there's no sign of that; simply straight streaks perpendicular to the gradient.
Here's what it should've looked like. An actual neck cutting murder, not the bogus Woolwich one:
http://s24.postimg.org/6vaq7ey11/1357_1.jpg

And the above photo is of blood flow on a rough asphalted gravel surface, with a much higher roughness or friction coefficient. The Woolwich sidewalk was smooth cement pavers offering less resistance to flow. It was taken at a similar angle of elevation as the Guardian photo from the upper deck of a double decker bus. And in terms of an overcast sky & reflection it matches the Guardian photo. Notice how prominent the blood is, & how far it has gone.

No reply as to why the women in the first video are quite blase.

That's easily explainable. She's British. She's a sheeple. She has no experience with violence and doesn't know how to react, so she didn't react. Or perhaps she's a nurse or someone with some first aid training who knows that panic will not help anything. Plenty of reasons for her not to be running around screaming besides some wild-eyed conspiracy theory.

There were 2 women involved. One has already been identified (correctly or not) as an MI6 agent, Molly Hartley. But, in any event, this item is an 'opinion' one, so I could be wrong.

No reply as to why it was reported as a beheading.

Well, that's what it was.

Not good enough! It wasn't a beheading as they admitted later on as "an attempted..."

No reply as to why the police took 20 minutes to get there, or why they treated the episode exactly like a harmless inquiry. ETC.

Now THAT I can answer quite clearly. It's because the UK police are a bunch of incompetent fuckwits who are so unused to violence that they just don't know what to do when faced with it. I'm far better trained than any but the most skilled tactical team member of the UK police...and likely at least AS well trained as they are.

You missed the point entirely. It was stated explicitly in the videos, & you can actually see it: The police approached the scene in a casual cavalier fashion, even though they knew they were apprehending fully armed "murderers" in an excited state. It's plain bull shit. But keep believing it. You're welcome to.

Dare say, YOU have answers to the above? Because the others don't have a clue, but can't admit it

Or, more likely, they just declined to talk to a fuckwit conspiracy theorist whose trying to confirm his own delusional assumptions. And they were probably asked by the police NOT to talk to people about it so that their testimony will be untainted when they go to court to testify. That's absolutely routine where I come from.
Lots and lots of reasons much more simple than some complex Hollywood spy-story theory my friend.

I've demolished your LAZY, arm waving, gullible mindset, but you still won't accept you live in a fascist propagandist mind-control state. "delusional assumptions" are yours "my friend"

[Audley Strange]

Awesome, awesome nonsense.